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> Considering the only problem with remaining 8 titles not running is DRM/anti-cheat, it is possible that we'll see this day arrive. Valve has confirmed they a

> Considering the only problem with remaining 8 titles not running is DRM/anti-cheat, it is possible that we'll see this day arrive. Valve has confirmed they are working with Epic (and another vendor) to support EAC on at least Steam OS if not every distro but I'd imagine Steam itself would contain everything that'd be needed to run EAC. So if you can run Steam on your favourite distro, I think EAC should work as well.

skohan 5y ago
Is there a possibility it would be solved only on Steam Deck but not other hardware?
- ekianjo 5y ago
  On Steam Deck they will be using signed Proton builds to make EAC work. Which means you wont be able to use EAC on just any Linux distro unless you use the same signed builds.
  - the8472 5y ago
    What will a signed proton build do when a cheater can run as root or load a kernel module? I suspect they'll go much further and demand secure boot with vendor keys (no custom keys) and a locked down kernel.
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  - foxhill 5y ago
    citation required?
- pkulak 5y ago
  Yes. You will likely need to be running a signed Steam install plus a signed version of the game. I’m 100% confident that it will be figured out in a repo like the aur, but it may be some work for Ubuntu folks and whatnot.
  - mjevans 5y ago
    Archlinux steam user here: Steam auto-updates and Steam's default Proton install is pulled down by Steam and stored within it's paths. Mostly this would affect anything that needs an unsupported build of Proton to work properly. Which is mostly lots of games that use the insane plethora of media presentation layers every big company has added to Windows over the decades. From what I've seen of games on Twitch, EAC style games tend to not rely on FMV and are generally 'all live' so there shouldn't be many problems.
pstrateman 5y ago
The irony is that EAC doesnt stop cheaters at all.
- dkersten 5y ago
  No anti-cheat will ever completely stop cheaters. There are plenty of cheat tools that are basically impossible to prevent. The question is whether EAC is good enough? I don't know, I play very little multiplayer these days.
  - mastax 5y ago
    In my experience any popular free to play multiplayer game is eventually inundated with cheaters no matter what anti cheat is used.
    - judge2020 5y ago
      In the end, games need to be built better by sending the least information needed to clients, ie. zero-trust. This is a big part of things like CS:GO, Valorant, and RTS games like starcraft/League/Dota since they can implement a 'fog of war' and only network information if their client actually needs it[0]. The only cheats that still plague Dota are scripts that perform tasks automatically, such as disabling an opponent as soon as they're visible (beyond human ability), and those are taken care of by heuristics[1] and a community-voting-based 'overwatch' system in CS:GO and Dota 2[2]. 0: https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-valorants-fog-war https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-... 1: https://youtu.be/hI7V60r7Jco https://youtu.be/hI7V60r7Jco 2: https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3025824821114909461 https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3025824821114909461
      - orbital-decay 5y ago
        >games need to be built better by sending the least information needed to clients, ie. zero-trust That isn't possible in real world for every type of competitive gameplay; trade-offs need to be made. Even games you list are not "zero trust" - things like looking direction are left to the client because of the latency. Moreover, it's not enough. What's also needed is a hardware chain of trust for input devices. On-device cryptographic signing of mouse events would be sufficient and would guarantee that input comes from a fair play-compliant device.
jorvi 5y ago
Most of the other titles run BattlEye, it seems. What is kind of strange is that Ark: Survival is running on Linux and also has BattlEye..
- valczir 5y ago
  Check the chart again - ARK is native. If you run it in proton (many mods have issues with the linux-native version of the game, so many people do run it in proton), then you can't join battleye-enabled servers.
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skohan 5y ago

Is there a possibility it would be solved only on Steam Deck but not other hardware?

ekianjo 5y ago
On Steam Deck they will be using signed Proton builds to make EAC work. Which means you wont be able to use EAC on just any Linux distro unless you use the same signed builds.
- the8472 5y ago
  What will a signed proton build do when a cheater can run as root or load a kernel module? I suspect they'll go much further and demand secure boot with vendor keys (no custom keys) and a locked down kernel.
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- foxhill 5y ago
  citation required?
pkulak 5y ago
Yes. You will likely need to be running a signed Steam install plus a signed version of the game. I’m 100% confident that it will be figured out in a repo like the aur, but it may be some work for Ubuntu folks and whatnot.
- mjevans 5y ago
  Archlinux steam user here: Steam auto-updates and Steam's default Proton install is pulled down by Steam and stored within it's paths. Mostly this would affect anything that needs an unsupported build of Proton to work properly. Which is mostly lots of games that use the insane plethora of media presentation layers every big company has added to Windows over the decades. From what I've seen of games on Twitch, EAC style games tend to not rely on FMV and are generally 'all live' so there shouldn't be many problems.

pstrateman 5y ago

The irony is that EAC doesnt stop cheaters at all.

dkersten 5y ago
No anti-cheat will ever completely stop cheaters. There are plenty of cheat tools that are basically impossible to prevent. The question is whether EAC is good enough? I don't know, I play very little multiplayer these days.
- mastax 5y ago
  In my experience any popular free to play multiplayer game is eventually inundated with cheaters no matter what anti cheat is used.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    In the end, games need to be built better by sending the least information needed to clients, ie. zero-trust. This is a big part of things like CS:GO, Valorant, and RTS games like starcraft/League/Dota since they can implement a 'fog of war' and only network information if their client actually needs it[0]. The only cheats that still plague Dota are scripts that perform tasks automatically, such as disabling an opponent as soon as they're visible (beyond human ability), and those are taken care of by heuristics[1] and a community-voting-based 'overwatch' system in CS:GO and Dota 2[2]. 0: https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-valorants-fog-war https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-... 1: https://youtu.be/hI7V60r7Jco https://youtu.be/hI7V60r7Jco 2: https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3025824821114909461 https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3025824821114909461
    - orbital-decay 5y ago
      >games need to be built better by sending the least information needed to clients, ie. zero-trust That isn't possible in real world for every type of competitive gameplay; trade-offs need to be made. Even games you list are not "zero trust" - things like looking direction are left to the client because of the latency. Moreover, it's not enough. What's also needed is a hardware chain of trust for input devices. On-device cryptographic signing of mouse events would be sufficient and would guarantee that input comes from a fair play-compliant device.

jorvi 5y ago

Most of the other titles run BattlEye, it seems. What is kind of strange is that Ark: Survival is running on Linux and also has BattlEye..

valczir 5y ago
Check the chart again - ARK is native. If you run it in proton (many mods have issues with the linux-native version of the game, so many people do run it in proton), then you can't join battleye-enabled servers.

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