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Am curious about comparatives between sauna and cryo. Extremes of all kinds encourage certain protective/restorative responses in these biological machines.

ReptileMan 5y ago
Why not both? Usually during the winter you have access to extremely cold showers. Where I live it is what we do - fight with snowballs outside or in the pool and then in the sauna
- hkt 5y ago
  ..where do you live? Sounds like a great tradition!
  - ReptileMan 5y ago
    Any mountainous or northern country in europe that has spa hotels will do.
DeBraid 5y ago
> Heat shock proteins are produced by cells in response to exposure to stressful conditions (heat, cold, UV light, and during wound healing or tissue remodeling) > Many members of this group function to stabilize new proteins to ensure correct folding or by helping to refold proteins that were damaged by the cell stress. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shock_protein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shock_protein
OrvalWintermute 5y ago
I have read numerous things about the benfits of sauna, and fairly minimal downsides if healthy, and not mixed with drugs/alcohol and done in moderation. Although I love cold weather, and grew up some years in a fairly cold area, the concern I have about varying cryo treatment is the difference between passive cryo, and active cryo therapies involving exertion. This because of the well-known relationship between cold and heart attacks stemming from exercise with cold, often seen in snow shoveling [1], [2]. [1] https://www.hallmarkchannel.com/home-and-family/how-to/cold-weather-and-heart-attacks-with-dr-karol-watson https://www.hallmarkchannel.com/home-and-family/how-to/cold-... [2] https://www.clevelandheartlab.com/blog/the-heart-risk-that-comes-with-winter/ https://www.clevelandheartlab.com/blog/the-heart-risk-that-c...
- serpix 5y ago
  Snow shoveling is a strenuous exercise and gets the heart pumping fast. Temperature doesn't mean that much while doing hard workouts outside. Last winter I was drenched in sweat while shoveling my yard and it was -15c outside. Only wore slim pants and long sleeve shirt.
bitL 5y ago
Do both in a series, e.g. 5x sauna interleaved with 5x cryo. That works wonders but you need to get used to it so start slowly.
throw1234651234 5y ago
I feel like there is a balance here somewhere that the proponents never talk about - there is definitely a too much. Also, as with anything, the benefits are vastly overstated. Tangentially related - cold showers - when you read about them, it's some magic thing, when you do it, you just get used to it in a couple of days and it doesn't do much anything for you. Fasting for 3 days (with water). Nothing happens. You maybe lose half a pound of fat if you walk for 4+ hours on the last day. Etc. Anyway, the core point is that there is a significant shock if you jump from a sauna into a cold pool. Don't try it after reading and then get a heart attack.

ReptileMan 5y ago

Why not both? Usually during the winter you have access to extremely cold showers. Where I live it is what we do - fight with snowballs outside or in the pool and then in the sauna

hkt 5y ago
..where do you live? Sounds like a great tradition!
- ReptileMan 5y ago
  Any mountainous or northern country in europe that has spa hotels will do.

DeBraid 5y ago

> Heat shock proteins are produced by cells in response to exposure to stressful conditions (heat, cold, UV light, and during wound healing or tissue remodeling) > Many members of this group function to stabilize new proteins to ensure correct folding or by helping to refold proteins that were damaged by the cell stress. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shock_protein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shock_protein

OrvalWintermute 5y ago

I have read numerous things about the benfits of sauna, and fairly minimal downsides if healthy, and not mixed with drugs/alcohol and done in moderation. Although I love cold weather, and grew up some years in a fairly cold area, the concern I have about varying cryo treatment is the difference between passive cryo, and active cryo therapies involving exertion. This because of the well-known relationship between cold and heart attacks stemming from exercise with cold, often seen in snow shoveling [1], [2]. [1] https://www.hallmarkchannel.com/home-and-family/how-to/cold-weather-and-heart-attacks-with-dr-karol-watson https://www.hallmarkchannel.com/home-and-family/how-to/cold-... [2] https://www.clevelandheartlab.com/blog/the-heart-risk-that-comes-with-winter/ https://www.clevelandheartlab.com/blog/the-heart-risk-that-c...

serpix 5y ago
Snow shoveling is a strenuous exercise and gets the heart pumping fast. Temperature doesn't mean that much while doing hard workouts outside. Last winter I was drenched in sweat while shoveling my yard and it was -15c outside. Only wore slim pants and long sleeve shirt.

bitL 5y ago

Do both in a series, e.g. 5x sauna interleaved with 5x cryo. That works wonders but you need to get used to it so start slowly.

throw1234651234 5y ago

I feel like there is a balance here somewhere that the proponents never talk about - there is definitely a too much. Also, as with anything, the benefits are vastly overstated. Tangentially related - cold showers - when you read about them, it's some magic thing, when you do it, you just get used to it in a couple of days and it doesn't do much anything for you. Fasting for 3 days (with water). Nothing happens. You maybe lose half a pound of fat if you walk for 4+ hours on the last day. Etc. Anyway, the core point is that there is a significant shock if you jump from a sauna into a cold pool. Don't try it after reading and then get a heart attack.