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On a price sensitive project I almost exclusively used spot instances at a dramatically reduced price over on-demand. It forced me to built high availability el

On a price sensitive project I almost exclusively used spot instances at a dramatically reduced price over on-demand. It forced me to built high availability elements into the design at the outside, though ultimately spot instances got shut down no less frequently than my experience with on demand maintenance and individual machine outages. Obviously mileage will vary, but going in I was under the impression that spot instances were on the knife's edge, when with a decent pricing strategy they're as robust as on demand at a fraction of the cost.

doomslice 5y ago
We use GCPs equivalent of spot instances (preemptibles) to great effect as well. It actually works better at larger scale since a smaller % of your machines get preempted at a given time.
noogle 5y ago
Spot instances for GPU are shutdown within hours. As frequently touted in favor of AWS, engineer time is the most important thing. The time to adapt the code to frequent failure, and the delays in getting the results, costs money as well, negating the financial saving from spot instances.
- defaultname 5y ago
  Designing to remain robust in the face of failures is compulsory for any project of any significance. Or at least it should be, though a lot of projects go on a wing and a prayer that nothing will go awry and "save" those engineering hours until a catastrophe at some future point. It basically just prioritized what already should be a priority. I have no doubt that fringe/niche instances have more competitive spot behaviors, though how you set your bid range dramatically impacts how you survive through competition, but I had vanilla instances last for literal years (note that by default the spot requisition has a lifespan of one year so you have to modify that) at per hour pricing somewhere in the range of 1/5th on demand. But mileage will vary. I don't use those spot instances anymore as my projects are much better financed now, and I have significant compute on other platforms including bare metal in colocation facilities. However when I did I stayed silent about it, feeling almost like it was a secret that would be ruined if others knew about it.
  - noogle 5y ago
    There it is - the hidden cost of AWS. For bare-metal the risk of hardware failure is so low that it's faster to just handle the interruption when it happens (e.g. just restart the process) than to implement interruption tolerance. The hardware fails only once in many years. The chances of that happening during the 24 hours we train a model are almost zero. On a spot instances, the risk of the same are almost 100%, requiring investment up-front. For the price of a spot instance we can get an always-on bare-metal server without having to worry for how long it will remain available.

doomslice 5y ago

We use GCPs equivalent of spot instances (preemptibles) to great effect as well. It actually works better at larger scale since a smaller % of your machines get preempted at a given time.

noogle 5y ago

Spot instances for GPU are shutdown within hours. As frequently touted in favor of AWS, engineer time is the most important thing. The time to adapt the code to frequent failure, and the delays in getting the results, costs money as well, negating the financial saving from spot instances.

defaultname 5y ago
Designing to remain robust in the face of failures is compulsory for any project of any significance. Or at least it should be, though a lot of projects go on a wing and a prayer that nothing will go awry and "save" those engineering hours until a catastrophe at some future point. It basically just prioritized what already should be a priority. I have no doubt that fringe/niche instances have more competitive spot behaviors, though how you set your bid range dramatically impacts how you survive through competition, but I had vanilla instances last for literal years (note that by default the spot requisition has a lifespan of one year so you have to modify that) at per hour pricing somewhere in the range of 1/5th on demand. But mileage will vary. I don't use those spot instances anymore as my projects are much better financed now, and I have significant compute on other platforms including bare metal in colocation facilities. However when I did I stayed silent about it, feeling almost like it was a secret that would be ruined if others knew about it.
- noogle 5y ago
  There it is - the hidden cost of AWS. For bare-metal the risk of hardware failure is so low that it's faster to just handle the interruption when it happens (e.g. just restart the process) than to implement interruption tolerance. The hardware fails only once in many years. The chances of that happening during the 24 hours we train a model are almost zero. On a spot instances, the risk of the same are almost 100%, requiring investment up-front. For the price of a spot instance we can get an always-on bare-metal server without having to worry for how long it will remain available.