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I mean, isn't this a bit like saying, "I left Windows for Ubuntu because of the invasive privacy concerns I had... But man Unity is terrible, I'm going back to

I mean, isn't this a bit like saying, "I left Windows for Ubuntu because of the invasive privacy concerns I had... But man Unity is terrible, I'm going back to Windows!" If privacy is the ultimate concern, I can suffer usability. I think the real issue is we've stopped advocating for privacy loudly and publicly. All the users know is convenience.

TeMPOraL 5y ago
But the privacy isn't the ultimate concern for everyone, so perhaps it isn't one for GP. It isn't for me. I stick to Firefox because of combination of being best at privacy and least shitty overall, but I'm by no means happy. I'm very much unhappy about the mobile version - their recent (~year ago?) UI revamp turned a perfectly good browser into a bloated piece of garbage, that gets slower and more annoying to use over time. The only reason I use it instead of Chrome is because I can install an ad blocker in it.
- soundnote 5y ago
  Brave and Vivaldi have ad blockers built in on Android and desktop both.
corty 5y ago
The thing is, if you do not like the UI of unity, maybe you'll like Gnome, KDE, LXDE, fluxbox, i3 or ratpoison or .... With most Linux distros, you can have both privacy and your favourite UI paradigm. You usually do not need to suffer in the usability department (or at least not too much). But with Firefox, all the UI choices are gone now, intentionally sacrificed on the altair of rewrites, UI changes, branding and some dubious security claims. You used to get the choice of vertical tabs (better on todays widescreen laptops), tree-style tabs, Buttons where you liked them, user-provided CSS customization for pages and the UI. Not anymore, all gone (they paid some lip service to some of the above concerns, but nothing relevant, and overall a massive downturn). Now you only get the take-it-or-leave-it of one crappy and worsening Chrome clone UI.
- dTal 5y ago
  Huh? Happy Tree Style Tabs user here, and another addon (Sidebery) seems to be growing in popularity as well. You can disable the built-in tabs with userChrome.css. What am I missing?
  - eitland 5y ago
    How do you disable the top tabs these days? I activated browser debugging, pressed ctrl + alt + shift + i and then hunted down the offending tab bar and put in "display: none" for it. It gets harder and harder year by year though and on the tabstrip issue in Bugzilla there's at least one person who was annoyed and told me to not question peoples motives after I asked a simple question about it. Anyone here working for Mozilla, I ask the same question here: are you overcomplicating it? I managed to get rid of that tab bar using a CSS hack, why can't we just get a function to apply that css, at least in developer edition?
    - dTal 5y ago
      The CSS "hack" is the official way. That's sort of the point of using CSS to display the UI. It's editable.
      - mook 5y ago
        Pretty sure the point of using the rendering engine to display the UI was to make it easier to write cross-platform UI; granted, though, the point of then having the feature to use CSS to modify the UI was to do that (and it was relatively easy once the UI was already written in the rendering engine).
      - Arech 5y ago
        I actually had changed some about:newtab styles. They even outlived one or two updates after that, until full reset.
      - eitland 5y ago
        Except I don't think it is even documented anymore?
pteraspidomorph 5y ago
I care about privacy, that's why I didn't move away from Firefox years ago (or as of yet). But ideally I would prefer not to suffer from privacy or usability issues...
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
That's how everybody is here. Nobody takes a principled stand when it involves even the slightest sacrifice.
- bombcar 5y ago
  But they’re sure to let you know that all things being equal they’d certainly take the principled option.
- eitland 5y ago
  Sample size of 1, but I have been choosing mostly open source/free for years and I don't think I am alone. That said, these days Linux is just more convenient than the alternatives for me personally. Same goes for Firefox (still).
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  Most people don’t have the time or energy at the end of the day to take principled stands on every issue.

TeMPOraL 5y ago

But the privacy isn't the ultimate concern for everyone, so perhaps it isn't one for GP. It isn't for me. I stick to Firefox because of combination of being best at privacy and least shitty overall, but I'm by no means happy. I'm very much unhappy about the mobile version - their recent (~year ago?) UI revamp turned a perfectly good browser into a bloated piece of garbage, that gets slower and more annoying to use over time. The only reason I use it instead of Chrome is because I can install an ad blocker in it.

soundnote 5y ago
Brave and Vivaldi have ad blockers built in on Android and desktop both.

corty 5y ago

The thing is, if you do not like the UI of unity, maybe you'll like Gnome, KDE, LXDE, fluxbox, i3 or ratpoison or .... With most Linux distros, you can have both privacy and your favourite UI paradigm. You usually do not need to suffer in the usability department (or at least not too much). But with Firefox, all the UI choices are gone now, intentionally sacrificed on the altair of rewrites, UI changes, branding and some dubious security claims. You used to get the choice of vertical tabs (better on todays widescreen laptops), tree-style tabs, Buttons where you liked them, user-provided CSS customization for pages and the UI. Not anymore, all gone (they paid some lip service to some of the above concerns, but nothing relevant, and overall a massive downturn). Now you only get the take-it-or-leave-it of one crappy and worsening Chrome clone UI.

dTal 5y ago
Huh? Happy Tree Style Tabs user here, and another addon (Sidebery) seems to be growing in popularity as well. You can disable the built-in tabs with userChrome.css. What am I missing?
- eitland 5y ago
  How do you disable the top tabs these days? I activated browser debugging, pressed ctrl + alt + shift + i and then hunted down the offending tab bar and put in "display: none" for it. It gets harder and harder year by year though and on the tabstrip issue in Bugzilla there's at least one person who was annoyed and told me to not question peoples motives after I asked a simple question about it. Anyone here working for Mozilla, I ask the same question here: are you overcomplicating it? I managed to get rid of that tab bar using a CSS hack, why can't we just get a function to apply that css, at least in developer edition?
  - dTal 5y ago
    The CSS "hack" is the official way. That's sort of the point of using CSS to display the UI. It's editable.
    - mook 5y ago
      Pretty sure the point of using the rendering engine to display the UI was to make it easier to write cross-platform UI; granted, though, the point of then having the feature to use CSS to modify the UI was to do that (and it was relatively easy once the UI was already written in the rendering engine).
    - Arech 5y ago
      I actually had changed some about:newtab styles. They even outlived one or two updates after that, until full reset.
    - eitland 5y ago
      Except I don't think it is even documented anymore?

pteraspidomorph 5y ago

I care about privacy, that's why I didn't move away from Firefox years ago (or as of yet). But ideally I would prefer not to suffer from privacy or usability issues...

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

That's how everybody is here. Nobody takes a principled stand when it involves even the slightest sacrifice.

bombcar 5y ago
But they’re sure to let you know that all things being equal they’d certainly take the principled option.
eitland 5y ago
Sample size of 1, but I have been choosing mostly open source/free for years and I don't think I am alone. That said, these days Linux is just more convenient than the alternatives for me personally. Same goes for Firefox (still).
chrisseaton 5y ago
Most people don’t have the time or energy at the end of the day to take principled stands on every issue.