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> The real question is how did the web remain relevant while being so far behind this tectonic platform shift? Not sure it is relevant anymore for a non-trivia

> The real question is how did the web remain relevant while being so far behind this tectonic platform shift? Not sure it is relevant anymore for a non-trivial chunk of people - at least in mobile. Lately I have quite often needed to explain about a good web app accessible in browser but not in app store. And I am a bit bewildered. The amount of people pretty much unable to distinguish between browser, app store and url is... not too small. (And don't get me started about iphone users' understanding why their location services "do not work" in safari. I assume there is a difference in default permissions there between iphone and abdroid there)

jeroenhd 5y ago
I don't have an iPhone, can you expand on that location services part? Does Safari not show the permission popup when a website asks for it or something? On Android, websites can request location permissions, you can't access any of that stuff by default.
- jonnycomputer 5y ago
  Not sure what op meant, but most computers don't come with built in GPS. Location services rely on other indicators of location, which are far less precise.
  - kps 5y ago
    Firefox lets you specify your location, though not easily. (Set `geo.provider.network.url` to `data:application/json,{"location":{"lat":0.00000,"lng":0.00000},"accuracy":1000}`.) Chrome doesn't, so even sites with location permission place me at my ISP's HQ 500 miles away.
- beefield 5y ago
  I do not have iphone either, but based on my observations many (most?) iphone owners have disabled safari location services from the os side, so you can't just allow them from the permission popup, but you need to go to the os settings and enable them for safari before you can bypass the permission popup. Again, I do not own an iphone, so not sure if it is exactly like this, but something like that needs to be done in many iohones trying to access location data from safari.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I wish I could do that on macOS so I stop getting hit with pop ups in Safari asking me for my location. Homedepot.com is particularly annoying about this.
    - beefield 5y ago
      It does not stop the pop ups. Safari asks from you permission for location services, you tap ok, and you get an error message that says getting location services failed.
    - iaml 5y ago
      You can go to safari preferences>websites>location and set "when visiting other sites" to "deny". I don't get any popups that way.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Oh thanks!
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      Use a browser that doesn't purposely nag you for permissions like Safari does. Firefox fits the bill for me, and doesn't throw nagging pop ups at me all of the time.

jeroenhd 5y ago

I don't have an iPhone, can you expand on that location services part? Does Safari not show the permission popup when a website asks for it or something? On Android, websites can request location permissions, you can't access any of that stuff by default.

jonnycomputer 5y ago
Not sure what op meant, but most computers don't come with built in GPS. Location services rely on other indicators of location, which are far less precise.
- kps 5y ago
  Firefox lets you specify your location, though not easily. (Set `geo.provider.network.url` to `data:application/json,{"location":{"lat":0.00000,"lng":0.00000},"accuracy":1000}`.) Chrome doesn't, so even sites with location permission place me at my ISP's HQ 500 miles away.
beefield 5y ago
I do not have iphone either, but based on my observations many (most?) iphone owners have disabled safari location services from the os side, so you can't just allow them from the permission popup, but you need to go to the os settings and enable them for safari before you can bypass the permission popup. Again, I do not own an iphone, so not sure if it is exactly like this, but something like that needs to be done in many iohones trying to access location data from safari.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  I wish I could do that on macOS so I stop getting hit with pop ups in Safari asking me for my location. Homedepot.com is particularly annoying about this.
  - beefield 5y ago
    It does not stop the pop ups. Safari asks from you permission for location services, you tap ok, and you get an error message that says getting location services failed.
  - iaml 5y ago
    You can go to safari preferences>websites>location and set "when visiting other sites" to "deny". I don't get any popups that way.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      Oh thanks!
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    Use a browser that doesn't purposely nag you for permissions like Safari does. Firefox fits the bill for me, and doesn't throw nagging pop ups at me all of the time.