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I struggle to understand what's so interesting in X(AWS/Azure/GCP/Alibaba/SAP/Oracle...) Cloud that it appears basically daily on HN I see it like +-decade old

I struggle to understand what's so interesting in X(AWS/Azure/GCP/Alibaba/SAP/Oracle...) Cloud that it appears basically daily on HN I see it like +-decade old (in mainstream) wrapper/apis over managing VMs/Infra while being proprietary as hard as possible What's the difference between this and javascript frameworks posts? (except js frameworks being OSS) How many years have to pass until "Cloud" stops being $hot_topic? Were "admin" topics (heh you know those guys that were predecessors of "DevOps") 10-15 years ago hot too?

duiker101 5y ago
I don't think we are even near the peak "Cloud" before it can slow down. We are just starting to see now entire dev envs in the cloud, and I'm pretty sure we will continue to go in that direction.
sofixa 5y ago
> I struggle to understand what's so interesting in X(AWS/Azure/GCP/Alibaba/SAP/Oracle...) Cloud that it appears basically daily on HN > I see it like +-decade old (in mainstream) wrapper/apis over managing VMs/Infra while being proprietary as hard as possible Don't know if serious or not, but nevertheless let me try. It's the global and near infinite scale, the enormous amounts of managed services you get behind those APIs. You need a database/message queue/object storage whatever at whatever scale? Have at it, and pay as you go. If you can't see the interest in that, i wonder what it is that you do. And IMHO there's nothing inherently complex about the APIs of AWS or GCP ( the only ones I've really used). They're as complex as the things they manage.
theamk 5y ago
We are talking about things we re using or want to use. And the usage of cloud is not going to go down anytime soon. For example, I think AWS spend is likely the biggest spend in my company after the payroll/offices, so it is pretty important topic, business-wise. And unlike JS frameworks which only matter to a subset of JS frontend developers, everyone can use cloud: JS or Java or Rust or C++ or C; frontent, backend, data science, ML, compilers, embedded.
throwdecro 5y ago
> I struggle to understand what's so interesting in X(AWS/Azure/GCP/Alibaba/SAP/Oracle...) Cloud... We're still afraid of the cloud spending all of our money.
dehrmann 5y ago
The original, main value proposition was that you don't need to physically manage your server anymore. Some products are just wrapped, managed versions of something you're already familiar with. Then there are more "original" offerings like DynamoDB, Bigquery, and Bigtable that bring a lot of value on their own and are significantly easier to operate at large scale than any open source equivalent.

duiker101 5y ago

I don't think we are even near the peak "Cloud" before it can slow down. We are just starting to see now entire dev envs in the cloud, and I'm pretty sure we will continue to go in that direction.

sofixa 5y ago

> I struggle to understand what's so interesting in X(AWS/Azure/GCP/Alibaba/SAP/Oracle...) Cloud that it appears basically daily on HN > I see it like +-decade old (in mainstream) wrapper/apis over managing VMs/Infra while being proprietary as hard as possible Don't know if serious or not, but nevertheless let me try. It's the global and near infinite scale, the enormous amounts of managed services you get behind those APIs. You need a database/message queue/object storage whatever at whatever scale? Have at it, and pay as you go. If you can't see the interest in that, i wonder what it is that you do. And IMHO there's nothing inherently complex about the APIs of AWS or GCP ( the only ones I've really used). They're as complex as the things they manage.

theamk 5y ago

We are talking about things we re using or want to use. And the usage of cloud is not going to go down anytime soon. For example, I think AWS spend is likely the biggest spend in my company after the payroll/offices, so it is pretty important topic, business-wise. And unlike JS frameworks which only matter to a subset of JS frontend developers, everyone can use cloud: JS or Java or Rust or C++ or C; frontent, backend, data science, ML, compilers, embedded.

throwdecro 5y ago

> I struggle to understand what's so interesting in X(AWS/Azure/GCP/Alibaba/SAP/Oracle...) Cloud... We're still afraid of the cloud spending all of our money.

dehrmann 5y ago

The original, main value proposition was that you don't need to physically manage your server anymore. Some products are just wrapped, managed versions of something you're already familiar with. Then there are more "original" offerings like DynamoDB, Bigquery, and Bigtable that bring a lot of value on their own and are significantly easier to operate at large scale than any open source equivalent.