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We have never used this justification to institute invasive laws to prohibit habits that lead to obesity, or to prohibit drug-use or alcohol consumption for tha
by CryptoPunk 5y ago
We have never used this justification to institute invasive laws to prohibit habits that lead to obesity, or to prohibit drug-use or alcohol consumption for that matter. And such laws would always come from the social conservative right, if they were ever instituted, not the people advocating vaccine mandates.
Now socialization of medical expenses is being used to rationalize institutionalized discrimination against the unvaccinated, because it aligns with a particular political tribe's agenda. A tribe that also advocates the socialization of medical expenses.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago> We have never used this justification to institute invasive laws to prohibit habits that lead to obesity, or to prohibit drug-use or alcohol consumption for that matter. Correct, these things are not contagious to others.
- disneygibson 5y agoThere is significant research indicating that these things are socially contagious.
- jasonlaramburu 5y agoThey are not equivalent. There is zero evidence you can catch obesity or alcoholism in an elevator from someone you don’t know. And in the context of workplace safety, an alcoholic cannot show up for work drunk.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoI was referring to this particular rationalization in the grandparent comment: >>This puts tremendous strain on the hospital system, and if they’re uninsured it means the taxpayers are covering the cost of their treatment. Given the vaccines can't provide herd immunity, the contagion argument for mandates is shaky too.
- jasonlaramburu 5y agoYou have noted above that vaccines dramatically reduce hospitalization (and death).
- CryptoPunk 5y agoThat doesn't address my argument.
- jasonlaramburu 5y agoIt’s not clear what your argument is. I agree with you that reducing medical expenses is being used by some as a justification for vaccine mandates. The data you provided also clearly shows vaccines reduce hospitalizations.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoBecause you're engaging in bad faith. My argument is clear: >>We have never used this justification to institute invasive laws to prohibit habits that lead to obesity, or to prohibit drug-use or alcohol consumption for that matter The question is when we have a right to infringe upon another party's bodily autonomy. None of these vaccine mandate advocates would be calling for any type of infringement if it related to refraining from irresponsible behavior like over-eating, alcohol consumption, drug use, or high-risk sexual activity.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago> None of these vaccine mandate advocates would be calling for any type of infringement if it related to refraining from irresponsible behavior like over-eating, alcohol consumption, drug use, or high-risk sexual activity. It’s a false equivalency. Addiction cannot, today, be cured with a shot.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago