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LibreELEC 10.0

112 points by LeoPanthera 5y ago

planckscnst 5y ago
This link is not great for people unfamiliar with the project. I went to the Wiki link in the menu to figure out what this is. LibreELEC is just enough (Linux-based) OS to run Kodi. Kodi is entertainment center software.
- mrspeaker 5y ago
  Maybe they don't want tire-kickers, but the whole website feels like "If you have to ask, you don't belong here, move along!". The blog post doesn't mention what it is, the home page doesn't mention what it is, the about page hints at what it does, but only says it's for something called "Kodi" but doesn't say what THAT is. Good way to create a sense of mystery though!
  - Cockbrand 5y ago
    TBH, I think they're just ~nerds~ technical people who focus a lot on their product and don't have the resources and skills to build an attractive, inviting website. The product itself is great, though!
    - nhouriet 5y ago
      A single sentence would certainly help to give a broad idea about what 'kodi' is.
      - inetknght 5y ago
        I think the three comments in this thread leading to my reply have it wrong. I see the top comment as being clear. I see the next three comments complaining about the website. What exactly is wrong with it? It's very clear to me. Perhaps you three should learn more about how to use the internet instead of expecting websites to spoon-feed you everything that you don't know. Websites can't, and shouldn't be expected, to know what you don't know. I opened the posted link [0]. It's clearly a blog. What's it about? It's about LibreELEC. There's a LibreELEC logo in the top left. Click that and it [1] clearly says "Just enough OS for KODI". What is KODI, I wonder? Double-click the word, right-click, search with your favorite search engine. The first result is the homepage for KODI [2] which clearly says it's open source home theatre software. There's no frills. There's no javashit. This website clearly and plainly works. I like it. [0]: http://libreelec.tv/2021/08/26/libreelec-matrix-10-0/ http://libreelec.tv/2021/08/26/libreelec-matrix-10-0/ [1]: http://libreelec.tv/ http://libreelec.tv/ [2]: https://kodi.tv/ https://kodi.tv/
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  - thiagocsf 5y ago
    I’m a long-ish time user of LibreELEC and holy crap! That blog post is like “there be dragons here, there and everywhere”. I’ve recently moved on from LE on RPi to OSMC on some British media centre hardware that I forget the name now. The main reason was because some (all?) of the x265 stuff I downl^H^H^H^H^Hacquired wouldn’t play properly.
    - arbitrage 5y ago
      blame rpi, not LE. i mean, what did you expect when you bought literally the least capable hardware possible for a set top box, really?
      - selfhoster11 5y ago
        That Broadcom CPU was literally designed as a Set Top Box CPU, at least for Pi 1 and 2. That's why the GPU is in control of the CPU.
    - dspillett 5y ago
      I've had no trouble with x265 on a Pi4 via LibreELEC, either things I've encoded myself or obtained elsewhere. The Pi3 could playback 720p x265 fine, and sometimes 1080p OK but far from always (and it would get fairly warm trying, hitting the thermal throttle after a while in summer months). It comes down to what hardware acceleration is supported and/or how beefy the CPU is otherwise, either your media centre supports 265 in hardware like the Pi4 or it is just has a chunkier set of CPU cores so can cope decoding such content in software (in the latter case, it will be drawing a chunk more power and generating more heat to do so). I've not tried anything over 1080p on the 4, but IIRC it should be able to do 4K x265. For the size of my TV and how far I usually sit from it, I don't have eyes better than 1080!
      - oarsinsync 5y ago
        The RPi4 can do 4K x265, it’s the reason I have one, and the only thing I use it for (with LibreELEC too, as it happens)
  - dspillett 5y ago
    > Maybe they don't want tire-kickers Could well be at this time. My LibreELEC running Pi4 recently updated itself to 9.2.8, and isn't showing 10 as an update yet. Perhaps this is considered a gamma testing period.
    - LeoPanthera 5y ago
      As the linked page explains there will never be an automatic update from 9 to 10, they are too different. You have to do it manually.
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    If you don't know about Kodi, there will be a steep learning curve to learn either it or LibreELEC in every case.
- rubyfan 5y ago
  reminds me of the old apache project sites where they would tell you the latest version, changelog and how to download from a mirror site but somehow not tell you what the project even is.
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    It was a tribute things like this as by programmers for programmers. And that programmers have little empathy for normal people - I’m a programmer.
- nabla9 5y ago
  It's Linux distribution, not Linux-based. Even their main page is confusingly unspecific.
- MisterTea 5y ago
  Why would you click "Wiki" when there is a perfectly descriptive "About" link a few pixels over?
WC3w6pXxgGd 5y ago
What is this?
encryptluks2 5y ago
I really like Kodi in terms of what options are currently available, but I find it to be quite bloated and the configuration to be a nightmare if you want to manage it independently of the app. I'd love to see some new competitors in this arena that focus on static config management so that I can manage my config using YAML/TOML manually rather than having to configure everything through the app. Also, setting up multiple users or syncing Kodi configs is still 2nd class.
- handrous 5y ago
  I've never liked Kodi's performance and stability, don't like the UI (skins don't help, it works the same regardless and most of the unofficial skins are half-broken anyway) and I hate how it's configured—those last two are intertwined, because I don't like how config is scattered all over and mixed in with using the thing, on a TV interface (another matter on a web or desktop interface—that would be fine). Haven't gotten used to or comfortable with it in years and years of using it. Finally switched to Jellyfin with its accompanying Roku app (and the web interface, in a pinch). Much happier with that. Jellyfin in docker on my fileserver, map the drives there, start it up with auto-restart (which will also start it on boot) and forget about it. Configure and watch some on the web, but mostly just watch from the couch on a Roku. Much better UI, despite being far from perfect. Snappier and less fragile, even in its web interface. Media source management's less crazy-making. I don't really use live TV, streaming (the plugins I usually wanted to use on Kodi were usually broken or too janky to use, anyway), or radio, on Kodi, though. Or the games features—I use Lakka instead, which I like much better UI-wise. I don't think Jellyfin can replace those features, if you use them.
  - 10GBps 5y ago
    Kodi's Achilles heel is their choice to implement in Python. I've gotten used to the interface though it gets slower with every release.
    - nightfly 5y ago
      Really? Kodi doesn't really do a lot, so it seems like it shouldn't be really be impacted by language choice like that.
10GBps 5y ago
Sucks the Pi3 is not supported. "current development is focused on RPi 4"... Yeah, the Pi3 is only like the most widely used embedded system on the planet and Pi4's are still incredibly hard to find. I would have focused on the 3 first. :/
- LeoPanthera 5y ago
  It is supported, it's just not finished yet. Dev builds are available, or you can just keep running 9.2, which still works fine.
- handrous 5y ago
  I don't think Pi3 had HEVC decoding, which makes it kinda suck vs. a Pi4, as a video-playing device. May as well use a 2, at that point. They'll both struggle with anything over SD-resolution in h.265.
  - 10GBps 5y ago
    I play 1080p and 720p H.265 all the time without issue on my 3 B+. It's just barely fast enough.
    - handrous 5y ago
      Huh, I stand corrected. The 2 was so bad at it that I didn't figure the spec bump on 3 would be enough to manage more than maybe tolerable 720p.
  - walteweiss 5y ago
    I play FullHD on my Pi 2B v. 1.2 (not 1.1) and it works very well, only with H.264, not 265 (but I don't really need it at the moment and don’t see it as something you really need, if don’t need 4K).
    - handrous 5y ago
      Pi2 has hardware h.264 decoding. I know about the h.265 thing because of my own effort at using one as a Kodi box, which hit a wall when several videos were unwatchable (turned out, because they were h.265). > but I don't really need it at the moment and don’t see it as something you really need, if don’t need 4K h.265 provides identical quality at smaller file size—much, much smaller file size, for some content (animation) but it's still a fair improvement for most other cases.
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dave_sullivan 5y ago
I started using Kodi on a modded Xbox when it was XBMC. Recently got an odroid N2+ and put CoreElec with Kodi on it and I'm very impressed. On the hardware, it runs very smooth. Configuration is a mess, but overall it's come a long way and I'm very happy with it. Once configured, I leave it alone.
rossmohax 5y ago
Does it support HDR on Linux?
- zamadatix 5y ago
  For certain boards, they are doing device specific tricks to make this work at the moment. E.g. Pi 4 is supported.
AlexanderDhoore 5y ago
I used to run OpenELEC on a 1th gen Apple TV back in the day. Good times. EDIT: And my jailbroken iPod Touch was the remote!

112 points by LeoPanthera 5y ago

This link is not great for people unfamiliar with the project. I went to the Wiki link in the menu to figure out what this is. LibreELEC is just enough (Linux-based) OS to run Kodi. Kodi is entertainment center software.

mrspeaker 5y ago
Maybe they don't want tire-kickers, but the whole website feels like "If you have to ask, you don't belong here, move along!". The blog post doesn't mention what it is, the home page doesn't mention what it is, the about page hints at what it does, but only says it's for something called "Kodi" but doesn't say what THAT is. Good way to create a sense of mystery though!
- Cockbrand 5y ago
  TBH, I think they're just ~nerds~ technical people who focus a lot on their product and don't have the resources and skills to build an attractive, inviting website. The product itself is great, though!
  - nhouriet 5y ago
    A single sentence would certainly help to give a broad idea about what 'kodi' is.
    - inetknght 5y ago
      I think the three comments in this thread leading to my reply have it wrong. I see the top comment as being clear. I see the next three comments complaining about the website. What exactly is wrong with it? It's very clear to me. Perhaps you three should learn more about how to use the internet instead of expecting websites to spoon-feed you everything that you don't know. Websites can't, and shouldn't be expected, to know what you don't know. I opened the posted link [0]. It's clearly a blog. What's it about? It's about LibreELEC. There's a LibreELEC logo in the top left. Click that and it [1] clearly says "Just enough OS for KODI". What is KODI, I wonder? Double-click the word, right-click, search with your favorite search engine. The first result is the homepage for KODI [2] which clearly says it's open source home theatre software. There's no frills. There's no javashit. This website clearly and plainly works. I like it. [0]: http://libreelec.tv/2021/08/26/libreelec-matrix-10-0/ http://libreelec.tv/2021/08/26/libreelec-matrix-10-0/ [1]: http://libreelec.tv/ http://libreelec.tv/ [2]: https://kodi.tv/ https://kodi.tv/
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- thiagocsf 5y ago
  I’m a long-ish time user of LibreELEC and holy crap! That blog post is like “there be dragons here, there and everywhere”. I’ve recently moved on from LE on RPi to OSMC on some British media centre hardware that I forget the name now. The main reason was because some (all?) of the x265 stuff I downl^H^H^H^H^Hacquired wouldn’t play properly.
  - arbitrage 5y ago
    blame rpi, not LE. i mean, what did you expect when you bought literally the least capable hardware possible for a set top box, really?
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
      That Broadcom CPU was literally designed as a Set Top Box CPU, at least for Pi 1 and 2. That's why the GPU is in control of the CPU.
  - dspillett 5y ago
    I've had no trouble with x265 on a Pi4 via LibreELEC, either things I've encoded myself or obtained elsewhere. The Pi3 could playback 720p x265 fine, and sometimes 1080p OK but far from always (and it would get fairly warm trying, hitting the thermal throttle after a while in summer months). It comes down to what hardware acceleration is supported and/or how beefy the CPU is otherwise, either your media centre supports 265 in hardware like the Pi4 or it is just has a chunkier set of CPU cores so can cope decoding such content in software (in the latter case, it will be drawing a chunk more power and generating more heat to do so). I've not tried anything over 1080p on the 4, but IIRC it should be able to do 4K x265. For the size of my TV and how far I usually sit from it, I don't have eyes better than 1080!
    - oarsinsync 5y ago
      The RPi4 can do 4K x265, it’s the reason I have one, and the only thing I use it for (with LibreELEC too, as it happens)
- dspillett 5y ago
  > Maybe they don't want tire-kickers Could well be at this time. My LibreELEC running Pi4 recently updated itself to 9.2.8, and isn't showing 10 as an update yet. Perhaps this is considered a gamma testing period.
  - LeoPanthera 5y ago
    As the linked page explains there will never be an automatic update from 9 to 10, they are too different. You have to do it manually.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  If you don't know about Kodi, there will be a steep learning curve to learn either it or LibreELEC in every case.
rubyfan 5y ago
reminds me of the old apache project sites where they would tell you the latest version, changelog and how to download from a mirror site but somehow not tell you what the project even is.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  It was a tribute things like this as by programmers for programmers. And that programmers have little empathy for normal people - I’m a programmer.
nabla9 5y ago
It's Linux distribution, not Linux-based. Even their main page is confusingly unspecific.
MisterTea 5y ago
Why would you click "Wiki" when there is a perfectly descriptive "About" link a few pixels over?

WC3w6pXxgGd 5y ago

What is this?

encryptluks2 5y ago

I really like Kodi in terms of what options are currently available, but I find it to be quite bloated and the configuration to be a nightmare if you want to manage it independently of the app. I'd love to see some new competitors in this arena that focus on static config management so that I can manage my config using YAML/TOML manually rather than having to configure everything through the app. Also, setting up multiple users or syncing Kodi configs is still 2nd class.

handrous 5y ago
I've never liked Kodi's performance and stability, don't like the UI (skins don't help, it works the same regardless and most of the unofficial skins are half-broken anyway) and I hate how it's configured—those last two are intertwined, because I don't like how config is scattered all over and mixed in with using the thing, on a TV interface (another matter on a web or desktop interface—that would be fine). Haven't gotten used to or comfortable with it in years and years of using it. Finally switched to Jellyfin with its accompanying Roku app (and the web interface, in a pinch). Much happier with that. Jellyfin in docker on my fileserver, map the drives there, start it up with auto-restart (which will also start it on boot) and forget about it. Configure and watch some on the web, but mostly just watch from the couch on a Roku. Much better UI, despite being far from perfect. Snappier and less fragile, even in its web interface. Media source management's less crazy-making. I don't really use live TV, streaming (the plugins I usually wanted to use on Kodi were usually broken or too janky to use, anyway), or radio, on Kodi, though. Or the games features—I use Lakka instead, which I like much better UI-wise. I don't think Jellyfin can replace those features, if you use them.
- 10GBps 5y ago
  Kodi's Achilles heel is their choice to implement in Python. I've gotten used to the interface though it gets slower with every release.
  - nightfly 5y ago
    Really? Kodi doesn't really do a lot, so it seems like it shouldn't be really be impacted by language choice like that.

10GBps 5y ago

Sucks the Pi3 is not supported. "current development is focused on RPi 4"... Yeah, the Pi3 is only like the most widely used embedded system on the planet and Pi4's are still incredibly hard to find. I would have focused on the 3 first. :/

LeoPanthera 5y ago
It is supported, it's just not finished yet. Dev builds are available, or you can just keep running 9.2, which still works fine.
handrous 5y ago
I don't think Pi3 had HEVC decoding, which makes it kinda suck vs. a Pi4, as a video-playing device. May as well use a 2, at that point. They'll both struggle with anything over SD-resolution in h.265.
- 10GBps 5y ago
  I play 1080p and 720p H.265 all the time without issue on my 3 B+. It's just barely fast enough.
  - handrous 5y ago
    Huh, I stand corrected. The 2 was so bad at it that I didn't figure the spec bump on 3 would be enough to manage more than maybe tolerable 720p.
- walteweiss 5y ago
  I play FullHD on my Pi 2B v. 1.2 (not 1.1) and it works very well, only with H.264, not 265 (but I don't really need it at the moment and don’t see it as something you really need, if don’t need 4K).
  - handrous 5y ago
    Pi2 has hardware h.264 decoding. I know about the h.265 thing because of my own effort at using one as a Kodi box, which hit a wall when several videos were unwatchable (turned out, because they were h.265). > but I don't really need it at the moment and don’t see it as something you really need, if don’t need 4K h.265 provides identical quality at smaller file size—much, much smaller file size, for some content (animation) but it's still a fair improvement for most other cases.

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dave_sullivan 5y ago

I started using Kodi on a modded Xbox when it was XBMC. Recently got an odroid N2+ and put CoreElec with Kodi on it and I'm very impressed. On the hardware, it runs very smooth. Configuration is a mess, but overall it's come a long way and I'm very happy with it. Once configured, I leave it alone.

rossmohax 5y ago

Does it support HDR on Linux?

zamadatix 5y ago
For certain boards, they are doing device specific tricks to make this work at the moment. E.g. Pi 4 is supported.

AlexanderDhoore 5y ago

I used to run OpenELEC on a 1th gen Apple TV back in the day. Good times. EDIT: And my jailbroken iPod Touch was the remote!