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I completely agree -- hell, I still can't work out if "Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election" was satire or if people actually believed it.

tadfisher 5y ago
You do recall the months-long investigation into this question ? One that resulted in 37 indictments and 5 prison sentences? Even if it exonerated the Trump campaign, which it didn't, I don't think you're very accepting of alternate viewpoints.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  No, I don't recall that. I recall a years long investigation into it that conceded that no evidence was ever found that implicated Trump or his campaign of colluding with Russians. I kind of have to wonder why people like Adam Schiff are still hiding all that "ample evidence" of collusion they insisted existed -- is he also in Putin's pocket and covering up for Trump? I can guess how accepting you are of alternate viewpoints.
  - alasdair_ 5y ago
    Trump is on videotape literally asking for Russia to hack things for him.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU That?
    - iammisc 5y ago
      Joe Biden is literally on videotape saying he threatened the Ukrainian government to not receive aid if they didn't fire their prosecutor investigating his son's company. When trump accused him of it, trump was impeached for his predecessors crimes. But yeah let's talk about what's literally on videotape
      - rat87 5y ago
        Talk about a non sequitur. Biden is on tape talking about he passed along the message that Ultimate had to fire a corrupt prosecutor who was refusing to investigate companies including Burisima the company whose board Hunter Biden was on. VP Biden was merely the messanger Getting rid of the corrupt Shokin was supported by the rest of the Obama administration, the State Department, the EU, and many Republicans. https://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-senators-pushed-for-ukraine-reforms-at-same-time-as-joe-biden https://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-senators-pushed-for... Trump was impeached for trying to pressure the Ukrainian president into making up bullshit investigation of Biden to tarnish his name. For trying to abuse American aid money to blackmail a friendly foreign leader
        iammisc 5y ago
        Keep telling that to yourself. Getting rid of a prosecutor investigating your son's company because of 'corruption' smells of corruption. That more members of the administration supported it just smells widespread corruption.
rat87 5y ago
I mean the majority of public evidence strongly points towards Trump colluding with Putin regardless of whether Russias efforts changed a close election
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  There is no evidence of that at all actually. Saying there is is on par with anti-vaxxers and other election conspiracy theorists. It's a denial of reality, and a denial of the expert investigations and reports into it. You have been taken by a conspiracy theory. You were lied to by people you trust, etc. I know it's hard or impossible to accept that, but that's what it is.

tadfisher 5y ago

You do recall the months-long investigation into this question ? One that resulted in 37 indictments and 5 prison sentences? Even if it exonerated the Trump campaign, which it didn't, I don't think you're very accepting of alternate viewpoints.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
No, I don't recall that. I recall a years long investigation into it that conceded that no evidence was ever found that implicated Trump or his campaign of colluding with Russians. I kind of have to wonder why people like Adam Schiff are still hiding all that "ample evidence" of collusion they insisted existed -- is he also in Putin's pocket and covering up for Trump? I can guess how accepting you are of alternate viewpoints.
- alasdair_ 5y ago
  Trump is on videotape literally asking for Russia to hack things for him.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU That?
  - iammisc 5y ago
    Joe Biden is literally on videotape saying he threatened the Ukrainian government to not receive aid if they didn't fire their prosecutor investigating his son's company. When trump accused him of it, trump was impeached for his predecessors crimes. But yeah let's talk about what's literally on videotape
    - rat87 5y ago
      Talk about a non sequitur. Biden is on tape talking about he passed along the message that Ultimate had to fire a corrupt prosecutor who was refusing to investigate companies including Burisima the company whose board Hunter Biden was on. VP Biden was merely the messanger Getting rid of the corrupt Shokin was supported by the rest of the Obama administration, the State Department, the EU, and many Republicans. https://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-senators-pushed-for-ukraine-reforms-at-same-time-as-joe-biden https://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-senators-pushed-for... Trump was impeached for trying to pressure the Ukrainian president into making up bullshit investigation of Biden to tarnish his name. For trying to abuse American aid money to blackmail a friendly foreign leader
      - iammisc 5y ago
        Keep telling that to yourself. Getting rid of a prosecutor investigating your son's company because of 'corruption' smells of corruption. That more members of the administration supported it just smells widespread corruption.

rat87 5y ago

I mean the majority of public evidence strongly points towards Trump colluding with Putin regardless of whether Russias efforts changed a close election

throwawaylinux 5y ago
There is no evidence of that at all actually. Saying there is is on par with anti-vaxxers and other election conspiracy theorists. It's a denial of reality, and a denial of the expert investigations and reports into it. You have been taken by a conspiracy theory. You were lied to by people you trust, etc. I know it's hard or impossible to accept that, but that's what it is.