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Indra – Hackers Behind Recent Attacks on Iran
- a11r 5y agoThis article completely misses context behind the name Indra for a group attacking Iran. In Vedic Hindu texts, and in Zoroastrian texts, a great battle among Devas[1] and Asuras (Ahuras)[2] is described. In the Vedic Hindu version, the Devas won, but for some reason decided to emigrate to India. In the Zoroastrian version, the Asuras won and kicked the Devas out of Persia. Indra was the king of the Devas. The word Deva eventually came to mean God in Sanskrit and Indra became the King of gods and God of thunder and rain. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra#Origins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra#Origins [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura_Mazda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura_Mazda
- factorialboy 5y agoThe "migration" to India theory has been generally refuted .. it's origins trace back to the English colonizers inventing history to justify their rule.
- sadfev 5y agoThey will keep shoveling Miller’s and other Indologists outdated supremacist ideas until Indians meekly submit and accept it. There’s no reasoning with supremacists.
- sadfev 5y agoMuller*
- new_guy 5y agoYou're not wrong, but that's got literally nothing at all to do with this.
- nyolfen 5y agoyou should look into population genetics. pretty weird that the same y chromosomal lineages showed up all over eurasia at the same time :o)
- factorialboy 5y agoGive me a specific reference of genetic proof of the 'aryan invasion'. And put a rough date on it. Thanks!
- nyolfen 5y agohttps://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aat7487 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aat7487 just the paper i read most recently -- the genetic and linguistic evidence for this theory is so overwhelming that the world laughs at you for believing otherwise. it is obviously too tied up with nationalist mythology and sentiment for you to analyze with a clear mind.
- factorialboy 5y agoThis is the exact type of propaganda "papers" without any evidence that the colonial types produce. There is no distinction between the "aryan invaders" and the native harrappan peoples: https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2019/09/06/new-study-debunks-aryan-invasion-theory.html https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2019/09/06/new-study-debun... Sure, some tribes may have migrated. But these tribes were not the "white civilizers" of the "dark natives" as the European colonizers wanted to promote. Too bad much of Indology is still persisting with the direction set by the English and Germans in the late 1800s.
- rishav_sharan 5y agoAryan migration is a well accepted and genetically supported theory. Would love to hear more on its refutation. https://scroll.in/article/936872/two-new-genetic-studies-upheld-aryan-migration-theory-so-why-did-indian-media-report-the-opposite https://scroll.in/article/936872/two-new-genetic-studies-uph...
- uncomputation 5y agoInteresting! I was familiar with the “deevs”/“daeva” (دیو) from the Shahnameh, but not the Vedic Hindu side of this. Thanks for sharing.
- danans 5y agoIt's strange that the screen shown by attackers is in Arabic and not Farsi. This would be something like hacking computers in the US and having the screen show the message in French, but even less intelligible. Even weirder that the hackers chose a Hindu god as their mascot. If they chose it as a reference to the indo-iranian split that took place 3500 years ago, the reference is sort of misplaced as the recent conflicts in the region have to do with the Gulf states and the West, not with Hinduism. It's infuriating - use your own religious imagery to represent your politics, not someone else's. But hey, it wouldn't be the first time a Hindu symbol was co-opted by a political group that has nothing to do with the religion.
- redwood 5y agoIs it Arabic? They have a shared script
- danans 5y agoIt is Arabic. The lead lines are "'anaa indraa", which is Arabic for "I am Indra". In Farsi it would be "man indra hastam" The scripts are related but Farsi has extra letters for sounds not present in Arabic, and it has a totally different and unrelated grammar.
- uncomputation 5y agoIt is Arabic. They have a shared script (mostly) but that’s like saying French, Italian, and English are mutually intelligible because they share the Latin script.
- grugagag 5y agoIsrael? US? The arabic script is most likely a false lead imo
- redwood 5y agoOdd that the article doesn't mention the most likely source and implies it's likely not a nation state.. as if Indra isn't just a cover.