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> It would be nice if they did something actually useful, like add native ext4 support. Other way around. The Kernel getting real support for NTFS (was merged

> It would be nice if they did something actually useful, like add native ext4 support. Other way around. The Kernel getting real support for NTFS (was merged into Linus' tree a month ago [0]) there's hope to get native performance on WSL2. Microsoft is building the dev environment for the next decade. [0] https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/linux-kernel-5-15-will-have-improved-ntfs-file-system-support/ https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/linux-kernel-5-15-will-have-...

pritambaral 5y ago
Linux and Windows use mutually exclusive permission/ACL bits, even on the same NTFS filesystem.
- pxc 5y ago
  > even on the same NTFS filesystem can you explain a bit how this works?
  - pkaye 5y ago
    I think they use extended attributes in NTFS to provide the Linux file system permission. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/file-permissions https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/file-permission...
    - chx 5y ago
      That was WSL v1. WSL v2 is a full blown VM and the filesystem is native ext4 and lives in an image file.
- chungy 5y ago
  If Linux would just adopt NFSv4 ACLs, there'd be nothing mutually exclusive about it, but instead perfectly in tandem.
smoldesu 5y ago
Linux has had read-only support for NTFS longer than WSL has been around. And if you think that Kernel patch is a testament to the greatness of Windows, you should try reading some of it. It's infamously incomprehensible. I'd be onboard with Windows as a next-gen dev environment if it was compatible with more filesystems, had a more organized file structure, featured greater CPU compatibility, and eliminated the system registry altogether.
gitgud 5y ago
> Microsoft is building the dev environment for the next decade. Big claim, most devs I've met either use Mac or Ubuntu. Can't remember anyone using Windows...
- reilly3000 5y ago
  It’s pretty common among game, .net, and Java EE devs. For me as a Python/Node/Cloud dev it was kinda a nonstarter (it all theoretically works, but has all kinds of little bugs and caveats) until WSL was stable. Since then it’s been perfectly viable for anything I’m working on, and I was able to use it exclusively for dev work for about 6 months. I have a Mac laptop too, but my desktop is too beefy to not use as my daily driver. Still, I prefer Linux for development work.
- PufPufPuf 5y ago
  There are literally dozens of us! No, really, when all of my development happens over SSH or inside Docker anyway, it doesn't really matter which is the "outer" OS. I'm happy with Windows.
- dboreham 5y ago
  <raises hand> I've consistently developed Unix (then Linux) server software on WindowsNT since 1996.
- noisem4ker 5y ago
  Have a look at JetBrains' developer surveys. Windows is consistently the most used OS. https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/#Main_on-which-operating-systems-are-your-development-environments https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/#Main_on-whic... Windows: 61% Linux: 47% macOS: 44%
- deleted 5y ago
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- FpUser 5y ago
  I develop Linux software on Windows using Visual Studio / C++. It lets me build and debug my servers on Linux machines remotely using nice IDE and tools. Also use CLion from Jet Brains the same way

pritambaral 5y ago

Linux and Windows use mutually exclusive permission/ACL bits, even on the same NTFS filesystem.

pxc 5y ago
> even on the same NTFS filesystem can you explain a bit how this works?
- pkaye 5y ago
  I think they use extended attributes in NTFS to provide the Linux file system permission. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/file-permissions https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/file-permission...
  - chx 5y ago
    That was WSL v1. WSL v2 is a full blown VM and the filesystem is native ext4 and lives in an image file.
chungy 5y ago
If Linux would just adopt NFSv4 ACLs, there'd be nothing mutually exclusive about it, but instead perfectly in tandem.

smoldesu 5y ago

Linux has had read-only support for NTFS longer than WSL has been around. And if you think that Kernel patch is a testament to the greatness of Windows, you should try reading some of it. It's infamously incomprehensible. I'd be onboard with Windows as a next-gen dev environment if it was compatible with more filesystems, had a more organized file structure, featured greater CPU compatibility, and eliminated the system registry altogether.

gitgud 5y ago

> Microsoft is building the dev environment for the next decade. Big claim, most devs I've met either use Mac or Ubuntu. Can't remember anyone using Windows...

reilly3000 5y ago
It’s pretty common among game, .net, and Java EE devs. For me as a Python/Node/Cloud dev it was kinda a nonstarter (it all theoretically works, but has all kinds of little bugs and caveats) until WSL was stable. Since then it’s been perfectly viable for anything I’m working on, and I was able to use it exclusively for dev work for about 6 months. I have a Mac laptop too, but my desktop is too beefy to not use as my daily driver. Still, I prefer Linux for development work.
PufPufPuf 5y ago
There are literally dozens of us! No, really, when all of my development happens over SSH or inside Docker anyway, it doesn't really matter which is the "outer" OS. I'm happy with Windows.
dboreham 5y ago
<raises hand> I've consistently developed Unix (then Linux) server software on WindowsNT since 1996.
noisem4ker 5y ago
Have a look at JetBrains' developer surveys. Windows is consistently the most used OS. https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/#Main_on-which-operating-systems-are-your-development-environments https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/#Main_on-whic... Windows: 61% Linux: 47% macOS: 44%
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FpUser 5y ago
I develop Linux software on Windows using Visual Studio / C++. It lets me build and debug my servers on Linux machines remotely using nice IDE and tools. Also use CLion from Jet Brains the same way