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I see that those of us with a 7th gen Intel core CPU that "need not to worry because W10 will be supported for years" will immediately start missing functionali

I see that those of us with a 7th gen Intel core CPU that "need not to worry because W10 will be supported for years" will immediately start missing functionality.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
To be honest I’m not going to miss the annual update that messes with all my settings and tries to force a MS account on me.
- asciimov 5y ago
  You know, you will still get those.
  - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
    I assume not, that we will just get security updates until it goes end of life. No more "features".
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - ndiddy 5y ago
      I hope you're excited for the 21H2 feature update, coming in the second half of 2021. The announcement mentions that it will get 18 months of servicing so I'm assuming this means we will get future feature updates as well. https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/07/15/introducing-the-next-feature-update-to-windows-10-21h2/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/07/15/intro...
shados 5y ago
At the very least the support requirement is a soft one, not a hard one. A large portion of motherboards from that era had firmware updates to officially support Win11, and Win11 WILL work on an i7-7700k even though its not in the list. You unfortunately won't get it through Windows update and will have to install the hard way. And if there's problems, you'll be sorry out of luck. Pisses me off, but at least it's not a complete blocker.
- JorgeGT 5y ago
  According to The Verge, they may block security updates if you install manually through the ISO, so that's a no go for me: https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-windows-11-iso-workaround-no-update-guarantee https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-window...
  - shados 5y ago
    Ok, if that's true, I'm back to raging about how absolutely ridiculous this is. Why obsolete a computer that can still run almost anything on high-ish settings @.@ Because there's 0.01% more crash or whatever....
    - blibble 5y ago
      so they can get an extra $60 out of the OEM for a new Windows license when you buy another PC
    - numpad0 5y ago
      I’m speculating it was supposed to let them drop Meltdown patches. Doing so easily creates “20% performance gain over Windows 10 on same machine”. Aligns with the statement that they “block” “security” updates. But this is clearly coming from someone who’s not actively in coding role and without consultation with developers, as some of CPUs(namely Ryzen 2k) to be supported don’t have the required but not very well debugged features(MBEC for Zen 2 - Ryzen 3k and up with luck).
      - dataflow 5y ago
        I don't think 7820HQ has more resistance to Meltdown than 7700HQ. In fact TSX-NI might make it worse. Yet they allow the former but not the latter.
      - zbentley 5y ago
        > I’m speculating Was that a pun?
q-rews 5y ago
Support doesn’t mean you get all the new features.

I see that those of us with a 7th gen Intel core CPU that "need not to worry because W10 will be supported for years" will immediately start missing functionality.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago

To be honest I’m not going to miss the annual update that messes with all my settings and tries to force a MS account on me.

asciimov 5y ago
You know, you will still get those.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  I assume not, that we will just get security updates until it goes end of life. No more "features".
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - ndiddy 5y ago
    I hope you're excited for the 21H2 feature update, coming in the second half of 2021. The announcement mentions that it will get 18 months of servicing so I'm assuming this means we will get future feature updates as well. https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/07/15/introducing-the-next-feature-update-to-windows-10-21h2/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/07/15/intro...

shados 5y ago

At the very least the support requirement is a soft one, not a hard one. A large portion of motherboards from that era had firmware updates to officially support Win11, and Win11 WILL work on an i7-7700k even though its not in the list. You unfortunately won't get it through Windows update and will have to install the hard way. And if there's problems, you'll be sorry out of luck. Pisses me off, but at least it's not a complete blocker.

JorgeGT 5y ago
According to The Verge, they may block security updates if you install manually through the ISO, so that's a no go for me: https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-windows-11-iso-workaround-no-update-guarantee https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-window...
- shados 5y ago
  Ok, if that's true, I'm back to raging about how absolutely ridiculous this is. Why obsolete a computer that can still run almost anything on high-ish settings @.@ Because there's 0.01% more crash or whatever....
  - blibble 5y ago
    so they can get an extra $60 out of the OEM for a new Windows license when you buy another PC
  - numpad0 5y ago
    I’m speculating it was supposed to let them drop Meltdown patches. Doing so easily creates “20% performance gain over Windows 10 on same machine”. Aligns with the statement that they “block” “security” updates. But this is clearly coming from someone who’s not actively in coding role and without consultation with developers, as some of CPUs(namely Ryzen 2k) to be supported don’t have the required but not very well debugged features(MBEC for Zen 2 - Ryzen 3k and up with luck).
    - dataflow 5y ago
      I don't think 7820HQ has more resistance to Meltdown than 7700HQ. In fact TSX-NI might make it worse. Yet they allow the former but not the latter.
    - zbentley 5y ago
      > I’m speculating Was that a pun?

q-rews 5y ago

Support doesn’t mean you get all the new features.