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Wikipedia is my charity of choice. No other entity (apart from perhaps Google) has done so much to actualise the potential of internet and deliver so much benef

by D_Alex 15y ago

Wikipedia is my charity of choice. No other entity (apart from perhaps Google) has done so much to actualise the potential of internet and deliver so much benefit to the world.

alttag 15y ago
Perhaps it's not your cup of tea, so to speak, but the internet has enabled a great deal of collaboration, digitization, and distribution of genealogical research and sources as well. Other internet-focused "charities" include post-disaster people finder sites and open source repositories. On a different note, my reaction is conflicted when reading that "actualis[ing] the potential of the internet" is a reason for being your foremost charity. As opposed to jobs programs, health programs, Christmas charities, habitat for humanity, Red Cross, Child's Play, etc. Your claim precludes these, and (without trying to flame), I don't understand why.
- D_Alex 15y ago
  I agree that the internet has enabled a great deal of various kinds of collaboration. IMO, Wikipedia is the most complete, and generally the most useful - summing over the whole of the world population - product of this. Regarding charities: again, summing over the whole world's population, Wikipedia delivers an enormous amount of good, for a paltry budget of $16 million dollars per year. For me personally, it turns every month several hours of tedious research into exciting, enriching learning and discovery experience, often providing insights and connections which might not have happened otherwise. I imagine hundreds of millions of people around the world are in a similar situation, and the total benefit (I think... YMMV) far outweighs even such great charities as Red Cross, whose budget is about 100 times larger.
wahnfrieden 15y ago
How much benefit does it bring to those who can't afford Internet access, let alone basic human needs?
- D_Alex 15y ago
  A hell of a lot, albeit indirectly. Let me give you a hypothetical example: an engineer in a remote community in Indonesia needs to consider a water purification plant, not something he had previous direct experience with. Do this please: Google "water purification" and go to the Wikipedia article - pretty good, isn't it? It is as useful in health, environment, economics, education and a whole lot of other fields. Have I convinced you?
  - stollercyrus 15y ago
    Wikipedia is the first places I go when I'm trying to learn something new. If not for the article itself, the reference links at the bottom are a great place to start.
  - wahnfrieden 15y ago
    Not really, to be honest. I know this argument, but do you have evidence? I'd like it to be true, anyway. A lot of the text in that article isn't particularly actionable. The cheaper and simpler purification solutions could use more detailed information on how to construct them and where to look for available tools, materials, or devices (e.g. organizations which help distribute them, or existing things which can be repurposed). That's not really the point of Wikipedia though, especially since this some of this information needs to cater specially to each geographical area. As for the engineer who's looking to build a water purification plant, surely the information on Wikipedia is not detailed enough to help significantly and would pale in comparison to the other resources available to someone with the means to build a plant in the first place.
    - wahnfrieden 15y ago
      Care to respond rather than downvote several of my posts without comment?
      - D_Alex 15y ago
        I did not downvote you, I was away from the computer for the last few hours. However your comment is so disingenuous that I am wondering if you are trolling. To wit: - "A lot of the text in that article isn't particularly actionable" - what does this even mean? Does all of the text have to be actionable, let alone particularly so, for it to be useful? - "...simpler purification solutions could use more detailed information on how to construct them" - no, this would not be appropriate, Wikipedia is not (yet) a detailed manual on how to do absolutely anything. But I think you implicitly admit that a good starting point has been provided. - "...the information on Wikipedia is not detailed enough to help significantly" - yes, it is, it gives you the background, explains the jargon and provides hyperlinked references into whatever area you might need more information on. Not quite sure what your definition of "help significantly" could be here. I will not be online for a couple of days, so if I have not convinced you, let's agree to disagree.

by D_Alex 15y ago

Wikipedia is my charity of choice. No other entity (apart from perhaps Google) has done so much to actualise the potential of internet and deliver so much benefit to the world.

alttag 15y ago

Perhaps it's not your cup of tea, so to speak, but the internet has enabled a great deal of collaboration, digitization, and distribution of genealogical research and sources as well. Other internet-focused "charities" include post-disaster people finder sites and open source repositories. On a different note, my reaction is conflicted when reading that "actualis[ing] the potential of the internet" is a reason for being your foremost charity. As opposed to jobs programs, health programs, Christmas charities, habitat for humanity, Red Cross, Child's Play, etc. Your claim precludes these, and (without trying to flame), I don't understand why.

D_Alex 15y ago
I agree that the internet has enabled a great deal of various kinds of collaboration. IMO, Wikipedia is the most complete, and generally the most useful - summing over the whole of the world population - product of this. Regarding charities: again, summing over the whole world's population, Wikipedia delivers an enormous amount of good, for a paltry budget of $16 million dollars per year. For me personally, it turns every month several hours of tedious research into exciting, enriching learning and discovery experience, often providing insights and connections which might not have happened otherwise. I imagine hundreds of millions of people around the world are in a similar situation, and the total benefit (I think... YMMV) far outweighs even such great charities as Red Cross, whose budget is about 100 times larger.

wahnfrieden 15y ago

How much benefit does it bring to those who can't afford Internet access, let alone basic human needs?

D_Alex 15y ago
A hell of a lot, albeit indirectly. Let me give you a hypothetical example: an engineer in a remote community in Indonesia needs to consider a water purification plant, not something he had previous direct experience with. Do this please: Google "water purification" and go to the Wikipedia article - pretty good, isn't it? It is as useful in health, environment, economics, education and a whole lot of other fields. Have I convinced you?
- stollercyrus 15y ago
  Wikipedia is the first places I go when I'm trying to learn something new. If not for the article itself, the reference links at the bottom are a great place to start.
- wahnfrieden 15y ago
  Not really, to be honest. I know this argument, but do you have evidence? I'd like it to be true, anyway. A lot of the text in that article isn't particularly actionable. The cheaper and simpler purification solutions could use more detailed information on how to construct them and where to look for available tools, materials, or devices (e.g. organizations which help distribute them, or existing things which can be repurposed). That's not really the point of Wikipedia though, especially since this some of this information needs to cater specially to each geographical area. As for the engineer who's looking to build a water purification plant, surely the information on Wikipedia is not detailed enough to help significantly and would pale in comparison to the other resources available to someone with the means to build a plant in the first place.
  - wahnfrieden 15y ago
    Care to respond rather than downvote several of my posts without comment?
    - D_Alex 15y ago
      I did not downvote you, I was away from the computer for the last few hours. However your comment is so disingenuous that I am wondering if you are trolling. To wit: - "A lot of the text in that article isn't particularly actionable" - what does this even mean? Does all of the text have to be actionable, let alone particularly so, for it to be useful? - "...simpler purification solutions could use more detailed information on how to construct them" - no, this would not be appropriate, Wikipedia is not (yet) a detailed manual on how to do absolutely anything. But I think you implicitly admit that a good starting point has been provided. - "...the information on Wikipedia is not detailed enough to help significantly" - yes, it is, it gives you the background, explains the jargon and provides hyperlinked references into whatever area you might need more information on. Not quite sure what your definition of "help significantly" could be here. I will not be online for a couple of days, so if I have not convinced you, let's agree to disagree.