I'm not saying containers aren't needed. Just that we keep trying to solve packaging and end up with more layers that have to duplicate large swaths of functio

I'm not saying containers aren't needed. Just that we keep trying to solve packaging and end up with more layers that have to duplicate large swaths of functionality. So we get java->containers->container orchestration, for example. The containers overlap some built-in java functionality, and so does the orchestration piece.