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This person really just needs to lean into Emacs harder. The real strength of Emacs comes when you use it for everything, and so have a perfectly consistent, ex

This person really just needs to lean into Emacs harder. The real strength of Emacs comes when you use it for everything, and so have a perfectly consistent, extensible, and discoverable user environment.

satyanash 5y ago
> This person really just needs to lean into Emacs harder. hehe, +1 leaning into it harder means understanding it better, the internals, why it works and why it does things the way it does. Now only if our phones were lisp machines.
jrm4 5y ago
This may seem unrelated but I'm going with it; I did Emacs for a year or so and while I understood that you CAN go this way, I mean, "difficulty in getting there" matters. "Do everything in Emacs" is an exceedingly short hop from "Maybe just write your own operating system." It's possible to do "very extensible" and "easy to onboard" -- Obsidian.md is the "actually usable Org-mode" I've been looking for, YMMV.
- NoGravitas 5y ago
  I'm coming up on using Emacs for 30 years this spring, so that's kind of a different experience from using it for a year or so.
thom 5y ago
Yeah, a shell is just interacting with a bunch of text, and once you've built up some familiarity with Emacs you can reuse everything you've learned (search, autocomplete, cut/paste, and once you have some elisp skills then basically anything). One of my annoyances with VSCode, which I do think will one day eat the world, is that it still seems the basic level of abstraction is too high. So there's a separate terminal window, which I always have to tell to go away, and which has its own key bindings. What I want is just a text buffer running my shell, that behaves like every other text buffer. Same with the database clients available for VSCode - stop building UIs, just give me text with a process running in the background. The editor is already all the UI I need.
fctorial 5y ago
Maybe they don't have time.
pjmlp 5y ago
Emacs is a wannabe Lisp Machine, except the real experience is more than what Emacs is capable of.

satyanash 5y ago

> This person really just needs to lean into Emacs harder. hehe, +1 leaning into it harder means understanding it better, the internals, why it works and why it does things the way it does. Now only if our phones were lisp machines.

jrm4 5y ago

This may seem unrelated but I'm going with it; I did Emacs for a year or so and while I understood that you CAN go this way, I mean, "difficulty in getting there" matters. "Do everything in Emacs" is an exceedingly short hop from "Maybe just write your own operating system." It's possible to do "very extensible" and "easy to onboard" -- Obsidian.md is the "actually usable Org-mode" I've been looking for, YMMV.

NoGravitas 5y ago
I'm coming up on using Emacs for 30 years this spring, so that's kind of a different experience from using it for a year or so.

thom 5y ago

Yeah, a shell is just interacting with a bunch of text, and once you've built up some familiarity with Emacs you can reuse everything you've learned (search, autocomplete, cut/paste, and once you have some elisp skills then basically anything). One of my annoyances with VSCode, which I do think will one day eat the world, is that it still seems the basic level of abstraction is too high. So there's a separate terminal window, which I always have to tell to go away, and which has its own key bindings. What I want is just a text buffer running my shell, that behaves like every other text buffer. Same with the database clients available for VSCode - stop building UIs, just give me text with a process running in the background. The editor is already all the UI I need.

fctorial 5y ago

Maybe they don't have time.

pjmlp 5y ago

Emacs is a wannabe Lisp Machine, except the real experience is more than what Emacs is capable of.