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Thank you for sharing. > some believe mandates are illegal and constitute government tyranny This isn't a vaccine mandate. You are free to choose to be tested

by josho 5y ago

Thank you for sharing. > some believe mandates are illegal and constitute government tyranny This isn't a vaccine mandate. You are free to choose to be tested or vaccinated. Do you feel being forced to make this choice is tyranny, if so how bad do things have to get before the good of society becomes more important than your personal choice?

betwixthewires 5y ago
Not who you're replying to, but the good of society never becomes more important than your personal choice.
- generj 5y ago
  Clearly the good of society is more important than some personal choices. We don’t allow people to make personal choices to commit murder, or to drive drunk, or even to drive at all without licenses.
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    Laws against murder and drunk driving are to protect other individuals against having their rights violated by you. Society never comes into the calculation, only the self interest of other individuals. You can drive without a license.
  - ctrlp 5y ago
    The agreed-upon surface area of 'the good of society' is smaller than you think. A disease that is %99.99 survivable and likely won't be resolved by non-sterilizing vaccine. is not comparable to the prohibition on murder.
    - josho 5y ago
      I think it's larger than you think. In some regions ICUs are filled with covid patients and surgeries are being cancelled as a result.
halfjoking 5y ago
I'm still wondering if the saliva test meets the requirements? Anyone know? I feel that forcing an uncomfortable nasal swab test is being used as a means of punishment, and not based on science. If it was just saliva I wouldn't feel that way.
ctrlp 5y ago
I ask you to put your thinking hat on and imagine other scenarios where compulsion is softened by indirection. The 'tested or vaccinated' choice is a temporary choice and unlikely to last. The pressure is firmly in the vaccinate or lose your job direction. What is the 'good of society' and who decides it? In a pluralistic society there is valid disagreement about which are the goods (plural) of society. It seems you don't agree.

by josho 5y ago

betwixthewires 5y ago

Not who you're replying to, but the good of society never becomes more important than your personal choice.

generj 5y ago
Clearly the good of society is more important than some personal choices. We don’t allow people to make personal choices to commit murder, or to drive drunk, or even to drive at all without licenses.
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  Laws against murder and drunk driving are to protect other individuals against having their rights violated by you. Society never comes into the calculation, only the self interest of other individuals. You can drive without a license.
- ctrlp 5y ago
  The agreed-upon surface area of 'the good of society' is smaller than you think. A disease that is %99.99 survivable and likely won't be resolved by non-sterilizing vaccine. is not comparable to the prohibition on murder.
  - josho 5y ago
    I think it's larger than you think. In some regions ICUs are filled with covid patients and surgeries are being cancelled as a result.

halfjoking 5y ago

I'm still wondering if the saliva test meets the requirements? Anyone know? I feel that forcing an uncomfortable nasal swab test is being used as a means of punishment, and not based on science. If it was just saliva I wouldn't feel that way.

ctrlp 5y ago

I ask you to put your thinking hat on and imagine other scenarios where compulsion is softened by indirection. The 'tested or vaccinated' choice is a temporary choice and unlikely to last. The pressure is firmly in the vaccinate or lose your job direction. What is the 'good of society' and who decides it? In a pluralistic society there is valid disagreement about which are the goods (plural) of society. It seems you don't agree.