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There are so many conveniently chosen facts and holes in your argument that I don’t even know where to begin. The CDC dataset you cite above only reflects deat

by kbos87 5y ago

There are so many conveniently chosen facts and holes in your argument that I don’t even know where to begin. The CDC dataset you cite above only reflects death, not the serious illness and disability ~30% of people end up with. Yes, vaccinated individuals can spread COVID, but this is dramatically less likely if you are vaccinated. You assume you’ll be less likely to spread delta because you’ll quarantine, but you ignore the fact that much of the transmission we see is from asymptomatic spread, before people even know they are sick. All of the mental gymnastics, for what? Getting vaccinated is barely even an inconvenience and we have real proof from hundreds of millions of doses that it’s safe and effective. The selfishness and unwillingness to cooperate for the greater good is mind blowing.

Hunter235711 5y ago
Vaccinated individuals are less likely to spread delta than unvaccinated people who have never been infected, but what about those who have recovered? The fact that they are 13 times less likely to be infected with delta makes me think natural immunity is better for variants. There have already been several covid variants this year. I would rather be contagious for a few days once than every time a new variant comes around. I'm definitely not declining the vaccine because it is inconvenient, I have really thought this through, and my doctor agrees with me. It isn't because I'm just being "selfish and unwilling to cooperate".
Madmallard 5y ago
Show the evidence that young adults are getting severe long term effects 30% of the time from covid.
- kbos87 5y ago
  I didn’t say young adults, though there is mounting evidence that even children can and do suffer from long term effects. For anyone who doubts the prevalence of long COVID, it isn’t hard to find the growing pile of credible research - The University to Arizona study is recent, and while it wasn’t an age specific study they cite 67% of people having symptoms after 30 days - https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections-experience-long-term-symptoms https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections... Chest CTs are abnormal in 75% of asymptomatic(!) COVID diagnosed individuals - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/ This is a year old, but for 18-34 year olds it cites 1 in 5 hadn’t returned to their usual state of health 2-3 weeks out… https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm6930e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm...
spookthesunset 5y ago
Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them. Covid spread doesn't matter. It's here forever. Not going away. If you get your shot, you are done. Stop worrying about the vaccination status or mask-wearing status of others. You are gonna get covid either way. But at least you won't have a chance of being hospitalized or dying. Covid is here forever. We need to switch our messaging to learning to live with that and moving on with our lives. All this crap does is keep everybody living in fear and dividing us even more. End it!
- freemint 5y ago
  > Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them. People who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. People for which the vaccine doesn't work. People who care about people who won't vaccinate. People in hospitals who have to take care for infected/sickened people. Some people care.

by kbos87 5y ago

Hunter235711 5y ago

Vaccinated individuals are less likely to spread delta than unvaccinated people who have never been infected, but what about those who have recovered? The fact that they are 13 times less likely to be infected with delta makes me think natural immunity is better for variants. There have already been several covid variants this year. I would rather be contagious for a few days once than every time a new variant comes around. I'm definitely not declining the vaccine because it is inconvenient, I have really thought this through, and my doctor agrees with me. It isn't because I'm just being "selfish and unwilling to cooperate".

Madmallard 5y ago

Show the evidence that young adults are getting severe long term effects 30% of the time from covid.

kbos87 5y ago
I didn’t say young adults, though there is mounting evidence that even children can and do suffer from long term effects. For anyone who doubts the prevalence of long COVID, it isn’t hard to find the growing pile of credible research - The University to Arizona study is recent, and while it wasn’t an age specific study they cite 67% of people having symptoms after 30 days - https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections-experience-long-term-symptoms https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections... Chest CTs are abnormal in 75% of asymptomatic(!) COVID diagnosed individuals - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/ This is a year old, but for 18-34 year olds it cites 1 in 5 hadn’t returned to their usual state of health 2-3 weeks out… https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm6930e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm...

spookthesunset 5y ago

Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them. Covid spread doesn't matter. It's here forever. Not going away. If you get your shot, you are done. Stop worrying about the vaccination status or mask-wearing status of others. You are gonna get covid either way. But at least you won't have a chance of being hospitalized or dying. Covid is here forever. We need to switch our messaging to learning to live with that and moving on with our lives. All this crap does is keep everybody living in fear and dividing us even more. End it!

freemint 5y ago
> Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them. People who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. People for which the vaccine doesn't work. People who care about people who won't vaccinate. People in hospitals who have to take care for infected/sickened people. Some people care.