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Careful you just spoke ill of one of the community golden calfs, despite giving a totally legitimate critisicm. Firefox has the same marketshare as samsung bro

by jjcon 5y ago

Careful you just spoke ill of one of the community golden calfs, despite giving a totally legitimate critisicm. Firefox has the same marketshare as samsung browser. Nosalgia wont save it. Chromium and its derivatives is just the standard client for the web, like linux is on the backend, the sooner everyone comes to terms with that the better.

hammyhavoc 5y ago
Why is that for "the better" when it produces a flawed monoculture?
- jjcon 5y ago
  Standardization is the bedrock of so much innovation, especially in computing. We standardize so much, why not standardize web clients? If you can argue why a certain firefox approach is inheirently better and not even possible in the chromium ecosystem that is compelling but I have yet to hear of such an argument. For my part it seems like firefox just keeps getting more and more behind.
  - hammyhavoc 5y ago
    Open standards breed innovation in particular. However, competition also begets innovation, and likewise, innovation begets innovation. RAM and battery consumption for one. I would rather use a browser "that keeps getting more and more behind" if it means my battery usage is significantly better on a laptop or 2-in-1. Web browsers are a surprisingly complex topic. For example, WebKit on iOS is intentionally crippled so that PWAs can't use push notifications, and thus businesses are forced to write apps for the App Store. However, Apple has been telling businesses for years now that their app could otherwise be achieved in a PWA, and regardless of kicking and screaming with an appeal due to needing to use push notifications, they will still reject it. Is that wrong? Of course. Would everything using Blink or building on top of Chromium solve this? Potentially, but as we all know, Apple doesn't follow standards to the letter. I do agree with where you're coming from though, and I do agree that standardization would be nice, but the reality is more complex, and there's objective advantages and disadvantages to each, the importance of each being a variable dependent on the user.

by jjcon 5y ago

hammyhavoc 5y ago

Why is that for "the better" when it produces a flawed monoculture?

jjcon 5y ago
Standardization is the bedrock of so much innovation, especially in computing. We standardize so much, why not standardize web clients? If you can argue why a certain firefox approach is inheirently better and not even possible in the chromium ecosystem that is compelling but I have yet to hear of such an argument. For my part it seems like firefox just keeps getting more and more behind.
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  Open standards breed innovation in particular. However, competition also begets innovation, and likewise, innovation begets innovation. RAM and battery consumption for one. I would rather use a browser "that keeps getting more and more behind" if it means my battery usage is significantly better on a laptop or 2-in-1. Web browsers are a surprisingly complex topic. For example, WebKit on iOS is intentionally crippled so that PWAs can't use push notifications, and thus businesses are forced to write apps for the App Store. However, Apple has been telling businesses for years now that their app could otherwise be achieved in a PWA, and regardless of kicking and screaming with an appeal due to needing to use push notifications, they will still reject it. Is that wrong? Of course. Would everything using Blink or building on top of Chromium solve this? Potentially, but as we all know, Apple doesn't follow standards to the letter. I do agree with where you're coming from though, and I do agree that standardization would be nice, but the reality is more complex, and there's objective advantages and disadvantages to each, the importance of each being a variable dependent on the user.