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But working in a hospital requires vaccination now, isn't it? Or even was required by many medical facilities before current events?

rejectedandsad 5y ago
There are a surprising number of nurses that are unvaccinated (much more than Doctors, of which very few are unvaccinated).
- ecommerceguy 5y ago
  Do you have a source for this?
  - pc86 5y ago
    Not the GP but for which claim? Anecdotally I don't know of any physician I've met in person (my SO and most of her family are all physicians) who isn't vaccinated. I've heard of a couple through stories so it might be 1-2% in my 1st and 2nd level of connections? Meanwhile every single physician I've spoken to about it knows at least a handful of nurses who aren't vaccinated and cite pseudoscientific nonsense as the justification. Nurses are great but the difference in bar to entry and education between a physician and a nurse is staggering. Edit: Here is a source from a couple months ago citing 96% physician vaccination rate and <50% nurse vaccination rate: https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2021/06/28/covid19-vaccination-rates-are-poor-among-healthcare-workershow-can-we-do-better/?sh=20c906b2589e https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2021/06/28/covid19-va...
  - frumper 5y ago
    https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-06/physician-vaccination-study-topline-report.pdf https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-06/physician-vacc... 96% for doctors
drewg123 5y ago
I didn't realize that, but you're probably right. The point I was trying to make is that neither I, nor my roommate (the only other patient I've had a conversation with) realized exactly how bad of shape the hospitals were in until we showed up at the ER and experienced it in person. The relentless media coverage is easy to tune out after a while, but actually experiencing the effects of a COVID surge personally brings it home. I'm not sure how else to suggest someone experience a hospital as a non-patient..
- leesalminen 5y ago
  Did you go to an emergency room in 2019, by chance? Waiting many hours to be admitted has been the norm in American healthcare for a very long time.
  - drewg123 5y ago
    According to the staff, the temporary holding area I was in (an office cube farm converted to holding patients in recliners) was new, as was the practice of lining every available hallway with people in beds. I went to this hospital specifically because it was close to home (riding in a car with an appendicitis is agony), and because it advertised low wait times. It turns out the low wait time was to be triaged, not to be treated.
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      Sure but now the times are astronomical and they may take one look at you and say you're too far gone and let you die because ICU simply doesn't have any beds. So some dummy who wouldn't get the vaccine just killed (by proxy) your relative most likely.
  - slenk 5y ago
    People lining the hallways waiting is not the norm in American healthcare
    - a_conservative 5y ago
grupthink 5y ago
No, my sister is an RN at a hospital in Los Angeles and vaccinations are optional for her. She is vaccinated, but if she wasn't, she would have to get a covid test twice a week. A few of her co-workers complained to administration that they don't want to be vaccinated, but now also complain that they now must be poked in the nose semi-weekly.

rejectedandsad 5y ago

There are a surprising number of nurses that are unvaccinated (much more than Doctors, of which very few are unvaccinated).

ecommerceguy 5y ago
Do you have a source for this?
- pc86 5y ago
  Not the GP but for which claim? Anecdotally I don't know of any physician I've met in person (my SO and most of her family are all physicians) who isn't vaccinated. I've heard of a couple through stories so it might be 1-2% in my 1st and 2nd level of connections? Meanwhile every single physician I've spoken to about it knows at least a handful of nurses who aren't vaccinated and cite pseudoscientific nonsense as the justification. Nurses are great but the difference in bar to entry and education between a physician and a nurse is staggering. Edit: Here is a source from a couple months ago citing 96% physician vaccination rate and <50% nurse vaccination rate: https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2021/06/28/covid19-vaccination-rates-are-poor-among-healthcare-workershow-can-we-do-better/?sh=20c906b2589e https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2021/06/28/covid19-va...
- frumper 5y ago
  https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-06/physician-vaccination-study-topline-report.pdf https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-06/physician-vacc... 96% for doctors

drewg123 5y ago

I didn't realize that, but you're probably right. The point I was trying to make is that neither I, nor my roommate (the only other patient I've had a conversation with) realized exactly how bad of shape the hospitals were in until we showed up at the ER and experienced it in person. The relentless media coverage is easy to tune out after a while, but actually experiencing the effects of a COVID surge personally brings it home. I'm not sure how else to suggest someone experience a hospital as a non-patient..

leesalminen 5y ago
Did you go to an emergency room in 2019, by chance? Waiting many hours to be admitted has been the norm in American healthcare for a very long time.
- drewg123 5y ago
  According to the staff, the temporary holding area I was in (an office cube farm converted to holding patients in recliners) was new, as was the practice of lining every available hallway with people in beds. I went to this hospital specifically because it was close to home (riding in a car with an appendicitis is agony), and because it advertised low wait times. It turns out the low wait time was to be triaged, not to be treated.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Sure but now the times are astronomical and they may take one look at you and say you're too far gone and let you die because ICU simply doesn't have any beds. So some dummy who wouldn't get the vaccine just killed (by proxy) your relative most likely.
- slenk 5y ago
  People lining the hallways waiting is not the norm in American healthcare
  - a_conservative 5y ago

grupthink 5y ago

No, my sister is an RN at a hospital in Los Angeles and vaccinations are optional for her. She is vaccinated, but if she wasn't, she would have to get a covid test twice a week. A few of her co-workers complained to administration that they don't want to be vaccinated, but now also complain that they now must be poked in the nose semi-weekly.