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If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. It was not a confl

If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. It was not a conflict where two somewhat equal partners work out their difficulties, it was a war where the central government fought down an insurrection and during witch the south got utterly devastated and was under occupation for 10 years.

meepmorp 5y ago
> it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. This is a hilariously skewed understanding of the civil war. Do you also believe the south seceded over states rights?
- tomrod 5y ago
  Over their states rights to hold slaves, which were an important component in the agrarian economy and an established part of the Antebellum culture.
  - ultraluminous 5y ago
    If only the slaves had any appreciation to the important component they were in their slave master's culture, they'd probably complain a lot less and try harder to accommodate their agrarian needs. sadly necessary /s
oceanplexian 5y ago
You could also argue that the civil war was about restoring bodily autonomy to a group of people who had been enslaved and forced against their will by corporations and governments.
stefantalpalaru 5y ago
> If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. "Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to the border states. Of the states that were exempted from the proclamation, Maryland (1864), Missouri and Tennessee (January 1865), and West Virginia (February 1865) abolished slavery before the war ended. However, Delaware and Kentucky, while they saw a substantial reduction in slavery, did not see the abolition of slavery until December 1865, when the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_(American_Civil_War) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_(American_Civil_...
amanaplanacanal 5y ago
I’m sure that’s the view from white southerners. The view from black southerners would be a little different. It’s like the folks who are all nostalgic about the 50s. Sure, they were great if you were a straight cis white man. Not so much if you were gay or trans or black.
- SiempreViernes 5y ago
  I'm not sure what you are disputing, are you saying the civil war was an act of gentle persuasion?

meepmorp 5y ago

> it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. This is a hilariously skewed understanding of the civil war. Do you also believe the south seceded over states rights?

tomrod 5y ago
Over their states rights to hold slaves, which were an important component in the agrarian economy and an established part of the Antebellum culture.
- ultraluminous 5y ago
  If only the slaves had any appreciation to the important component they were in their slave master's culture, they'd probably complain a lot less and try harder to accommodate their agrarian needs. sadly necessary /s

oceanplexian 5y ago

You could also argue that the civil war was about restoring bodily autonomy to a group of people who had been enslaved and forced against their will by corporations and governments.

stefantalpalaru 5y ago

> If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. "Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to the border states. Of the states that were exempted from the proclamation, Maryland (1864), Missouri and Tennessee (January 1865), and West Virginia (February 1865) abolished slavery before the war ended. However, Delaware and Kentucky, while they saw a substantial reduction in slavery, did not see the abolition of slavery until December 1865, when the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_(American_Civil_War) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_(American_Civil_...

amanaplanacanal 5y ago

I’m sure that’s the view from white southerners. The view from black southerners would be a little different. It’s like the folks who are all nostalgic about the 50s. Sure, they were great if you were a straight cis white man. Not so much if you were gay or trans or black.

SiempreViernes 5y ago
I'm not sure what you are disputing, are you saying the civil war was an act of gentle persuasion?