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The big problem is they still want people who've recovered from COVID to get vaccinated. This is a very big deal and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole OSHA p

The big problem is they still want people who've recovered from COVID to get vaccinated. This is a very big deal and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole OSHA plan goes to the Supreme Court. I've recovered from COVID and stand against vaccine mandates.

steverb 5y ago
Not sure why you think that's a problem. The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. Edit: Apparently this is new information to people: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...
- ctrlp 5y ago
  Please share evidence for this claim.
  - steverb 5y ago
    https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...
  - grey413 5y ago
    Getting a vaccine after recovering from covid would be along the lines of getting a booster shot. You'd develop some new antibodies, and strengthen your immune memory for the disease. It'll offer you better protection no matter what.
- deleted 5y ago
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- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Your link doesn't address better protection against variants specifically, just better protection against reinfection in general. The linked study specifically states that it does not include delta.
  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    that's okay, a nonzero benefit is still a benefit
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      It does not say that there is non-zero benefit vs variants. This data does not exist, it could be the case that natural immunity is as good, better, or worse vs variants, or perhaps is different depending on variant.
      - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        it doesn't have to have non-zero benefit vs. variants, it just has to have non-zero benefit overall to outweigh the negligible cost in the net cost/benefit calculus
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        I was addressing a specific statement that was unsupported >The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. The cost/benefit overall is much more complicated than this simple statement.
        ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        the overall cost/benefit for getting vaccinated is actually not at all complicated for example: how are you personally, materially harmed by taking the vaccine? that would be the cost
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Keep in mind this discussion thread is about people who have already contracted Covid and recovered. The benefits: Unknown increase in immunity against alpha strain Unknown increase in immunity against variant strains ... The Costs: Chance of currently known adverse effects Chance of unknown adverse effects specific to vaccination of people with prior immunity. Some recent data [1] suggests that those with prior covid infection 13X lower chances or reinfection with delta than those with 2 vaccine doses. If this is accurate, it begs the question of how much benefit is gained by vaccination on top of existing immunity in comparison to to the rare but known side effects. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...
ultraluminous 5y ago
Are you an immunologist by any chance?
gilbetron 5y ago
I agree with this part - if you can show you have antibodies, I don't care where you got them from (well, I would have preferred they were gotten from a vaccine, but that's besides the point now!). My only stipulation is that if you say you had it, you need to have an antibody test to prove it, and if the test is negative, you need a vaccine.

steverb 5y ago

Not sure why you think that's a problem. The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. Edit: Apparently this is new information to people: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

ctrlp 5y ago
Please share evidence for this claim.
- steverb 5y ago
  https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...
- grey413 5y ago
  Getting a vaccine after recovering from covid would be along the lines of getting a booster shot. You'd develop some new antibodies, and strengthen your immune memory for the disease. It'll offer you better protection no matter what.
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s1artibartfast 5y ago
Your link doesn't address better protection against variants specifically, just better protection against reinfection in general. The linked study specifically states that it does not include delta.
- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  that's okay, a nonzero benefit is still a benefit
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    It does not say that there is non-zero benefit vs variants. This data does not exist, it could be the case that natural immunity is as good, better, or worse vs variants, or perhaps is different depending on variant.
    - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
      it doesn't have to have non-zero benefit vs. variants, it just has to have non-zero benefit overall to outweigh the negligible cost in the net cost/benefit calculus
      - s1artibartfast 5y ago
        I was addressing a specific statement that was unsupported >The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. The cost/benefit overall is much more complicated than this simple statement.
        ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        the overall cost/benefit for getting vaccinated is actually not at all complicated for example: how are you personally, materially harmed by taking the vaccine? that would be the cost
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Keep in mind this discussion thread is about people who have already contracted Covid and recovered. The benefits: Unknown increase in immunity against alpha strain Unknown increase in immunity against variant strains ... The Costs: Chance of currently known adverse effects Chance of unknown adverse effects specific to vaccination of people with prior immunity. Some recent data [1] suggests that those with prior covid infection 13X lower chances or reinfection with delta than those with 2 vaccine doses. If this is accurate, it begs the question of how much benefit is gained by vaccination on top of existing immunity in comparison to to the rare but known side effects. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...

ultraluminous 5y ago

Are you an immunologist by any chance?

gilbetron 5y ago

I agree with this part - if you can show you have antibodies, I don't care where you got them from (well, I would have preferred they were gotten from a vaccine, but that's besides the point now!). My only stipulation is that if you say you had it, you need to have an antibody test to prove it, and if the test is negative, you need a vaccine.