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This exact argument could be used to push back against environmental standards, occupational safety standards, or drinking water standards. I don't want choler

by enkid 5y ago

This exact argument could be used to push back against environmental standards, occupational safety standards, or drinking water standards. I don't want cholera outbreaks and I don't want the health system to collapse because of COVID.

ctrlp 5y ago
Is this an argument in favor of monitoring individual compliance with environmental standards using some kind of digital pass? That seems like something you should state explicitly. Occupational safety regulation is typically targeted towards employers, not employees. This mandate actually flies in the face of that standard and the OSHA charter.
TOMDM 5y ago
If it weren't already standard, there is no way we'd be able to mandate seat belts today. EDIT: I'm pro seatbelt just in case that needed clarifying
- pseudo0 5y ago
  If you want an interesting read, check out the battle over seatbelt interlock devices. Optional seatbelts (with perhaps fines for non-use depending on the jurisdiction) was the compromise between none at all and cars not functioning without them being in use. https://www.history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance https://www.history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance
  - TOMDM 5y ago
    That was a really interesting read, thank you I guess we have Elizabeth Dole to thank in part for near ubiquitous air bags and seatbelts. I hate to think how many would die every year without them.
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      These days? Few. In the 1990s, more. Except in the highest speed crashes frontal airbags are mostly redundant for belted in passengers (the first S in SRS is there for a reason), especially in this age of seatbelt pre-tensioners. Side curtain airbags are far more helpful these days.
- ctrlp 5y ago
  Are you pro-motorcycle helmet as well? I don't ride but my understanding is there is disagreement about the relative protection of a helmet vs compromised visibility, yet most states in the US mandate helmets. Maybe some motorcyclists could clarify.
  - TOMDM 5y ago
    Plenty of motorcyclists would also argue that louder exhausts are safer but the data doesn't bare that out either. Yes I'm pro motorcycle helmet.
jtbayly 5y ago
No it can't be compared to OSHA or drinking water standards. For people to drink clean water requires a treatment plant to be operating correctly, not for every person that drinks water to be treated with a shot.
- deleted 5y ago
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by enkid 5y ago

ctrlp 5y ago

Is this an argument in favor of monitoring individual compliance with environmental standards using some kind of digital pass? That seems like something you should state explicitly. Occupational safety regulation is typically targeted towards employers, not employees. This mandate actually flies in the face of that standard and the OSHA charter.

TOMDM 5y ago

If it weren't already standard, there is no way we'd be able to mandate seat belts today. EDIT: I'm pro seatbelt just in case that needed clarifying

pseudo0 5y ago
If you want an interesting read, check out the battle over seatbelt interlock devices. Optional seatbelts (with perhaps fines for non-use depending on the jurisdiction) was the compromise between none at all and cars not functioning without them being in use. https://www.history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance https://www.history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance
- TOMDM 5y ago
  That was a really interesting read, thank you I guess we have Elizabeth Dole to thank in part for near ubiquitous air bags and seatbelts. I hate to think how many would die every year without them.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    These days? Few. In the 1990s, more. Except in the highest speed crashes frontal airbags are mostly redundant for belted in passengers (the first S in SRS is there for a reason), especially in this age of seatbelt pre-tensioners. Side curtain airbags are far more helpful these days.
ctrlp 5y ago
Are you pro-motorcycle helmet as well? I don't ride but my understanding is there is disagreement about the relative protection of a helmet vs compromised visibility, yet most states in the US mandate helmets. Maybe some motorcyclists could clarify.
- TOMDM 5y ago
  Plenty of motorcyclists would also argue that louder exhausts are safer but the data doesn't bare that out either. Yes I'm pro motorcycle helmet.

jtbayly 5y ago

No it can't be compared to OSHA or drinking water standards. For people to drink clean water requires a treatment plant to be operating correctly, not for every person that drinks water to be treated with a shot.

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