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Let me guess, seat belt mandates are also “authoritarian”? What about measles vaccine requirements? Have you complained about those recently? Believe it or not

by dadoge 5y ago

Let me guess, seat belt mandates are also “authoritarian”? What about measles vaccine requirements? Have you complained about those recently? Believe it or not, there was a time when measles wasn’t a thing and very few question the need for a measles vaccine now. What about the broad polio vaccine rollout? Vaccine hesitancy has been a thing, but never this strongly along party lines

steverb 5y ago
You're forgetting about driver's licenses, pilots licenses, cosmetology licenses, ID requirements and searches to fly on a plane, having to be over 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco, selective service, income taxes, property taxes, traffic laws, building codes...
- landemva 5y ago
  Most of those examples do not apply to persons who are not engaged in commerce. 21+ to buy products should be 18. At some age children become adults. Study the personal income tax and you will find it is primarily enforced through your employer. If each of us had to save and write a check there would be little compliance. For non-commercial property, if the property is not cataloged by county assessor, it doesn't get taxed. Dig in on this bit and be amazed.
  - steverb 5y ago
    Driver's Licenses and the need to show ID and submit to a search certainly do apply. I and a lot of people do have to save a write a check (I pre-pay estimated actually). You do not want to get on the wrong side of the IRS.
    - landemva 5y ago
      Did government go to your door and make you sign the contract of non-commercial driver license? Or did you go to a government office and volunteer? This was litigated at USSC decades ago. Federal personal income tax does generally apply to federal government employees. When a non-govt employer withholds from your paycheck it does become difficult to then get out of volunteering to pay. Are you a commercial driver and also federal employee? Or like most people do you shuffle in to the lines to voluntarily contribute?
      - steverb 5y ago
        Vaccination requirements were also litigated at USSC, over a century ago: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-ma... I am an independent software developer and like most business owners I contribute because it's required by law and failure to do so carries harsh penalties. Are you telling me that you do not pay federal and or state income taxes? That you do not contribute to FICA? Are you under the impression that because you are not a federal employee that you are not required to pay federal income taxes? If so, the IRS has plenty to say about it: https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-section-i-a-to-c https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivo...
        landemva 5y ago
        Structure your affairs correctly so you do not become a taxpayer (federal income tax) and no need to file. Definitely do not file, as they use the signed form against you and they call it frivolous and add penalties. This initially takes effort. Still pay sales tax, use tax, TSA groping tax, etc.
xgb84j 5y ago
The main problem that I and many others have is not the policy of the month but how targets are shifting. When the measels vaccine was introduced it was clear that after one or two shots you were safe for many years if not for life. Seatbelts are not an irreversible medical procedure. So my problem and the problem of many others is not focused on the policies in effect right now, but the direction in which the policies evolve. If I had thought one or two years ago how the CCP was going to handle the pandemic, it would be pretty much the way the US, Germany and France handle it right now.
- jacob2484 5y ago
  ^this
- vinay427 5y ago
  > If I had thought one or two years ago how the CCP was going to handle the pandemic, In that case, it would be quite an inaccurate prediction on your part given that the CCP/China actually handled their lockdowns and continue to manage quarantining with far more stringency than the US, Germany, and France. You're drawing a comparison between the three western countries and a fictional China that wasn't borne out in reality.
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reportgunner 5y ago
You can't lose your job over not wearing a seat belt can you ?
- generj 5y ago
  You definitely can if you are driving on the clock.

by dadoge 5y ago

steverb 5y ago

You're forgetting about driver's licenses, pilots licenses, cosmetology licenses, ID requirements and searches to fly on a plane, having to be over 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco, selective service, income taxes, property taxes, traffic laws, building codes...

landemva 5y ago
Most of those examples do not apply to persons who are not engaged in commerce. 21+ to buy products should be 18. At some age children become adults. Study the personal income tax and you will find it is primarily enforced through your employer. If each of us had to save and write a check there would be little compliance. For non-commercial property, if the property is not cataloged by county assessor, it doesn't get taxed. Dig in on this bit and be amazed.
- steverb 5y ago
  Driver's Licenses and the need to show ID and submit to a search certainly do apply. I and a lot of people do have to save a write a check (I pre-pay estimated actually). You do not want to get on the wrong side of the IRS.
  - landemva 5y ago
    Did government go to your door and make you sign the contract of non-commercial driver license? Or did you go to a government office and volunteer? This was litigated at USSC decades ago. Federal personal income tax does generally apply to federal government employees. When a non-govt employer withholds from your paycheck it does become difficult to then get out of volunteering to pay. Are you a commercial driver and also federal employee? Or like most people do you shuffle in to the lines to voluntarily contribute?
    - steverb 5y ago
      Vaccination requirements were also litigated at USSC, over a century ago: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-ma... I am an independent software developer and like most business owners I contribute because it's required by law and failure to do so carries harsh penalties. Are you telling me that you do not pay federal and or state income taxes? That you do not contribute to FICA? Are you under the impression that because you are not a federal employee that you are not required to pay federal income taxes? If so, the IRS has plenty to say about it: https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-section-i-a-to-c https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivo...
      - landemva 5y ago
        Structure your affairs correctly so you do not become a taxpayer (federal income tax) and no need to file. Definitely do not file, as they use the signed form against you and they call it frivolous and add penalties. This initially takes effort. Still pay sales tax, use tax, TSA groping tax, etc.

xgb84j 5y ago

The main problem that I and many others have is not the policy of the month but how targets are shifting. When the measels vaccine was introduced it was clear that after one or two shots you were safe for many years if not for life. Seatbelts are not an irreversible medical procedure. So my problem and the problem of many others is not focused on the policies in effect right now, but the direction in which the policies evolve. If I had thought one or two years ago how the CCP was going to handle the pandemic, it would be pretty much the way the US, Germany and France handle it right now.

jacob2484 5y ago
^this
vinay427 5y ago
> If I had thought one or two years ago how the CCP was going to handle the pandemic, In that case, it would be quite an inaccurate prediction on your part given that the CCP/China actually handled their lockdowns and continue to manage quarantining with far more stringency than the US, Germany, and France. You're drawing a comparison between the three western countries and a fictional China that wasn't borne out in reality.

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reportgunner 5y ago

You can't lose your job over not wearing a seat belt can you ?

generj 5y ago
You definitely can if you are driving on the clock.