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Most EU countries reached high vaccination rate without extreme measures because people here are not poisoned with right wing propaganda.

md_ 5y ago
Not true. Germany has the "three g" mandate (and it has faced significant pushback). France has no vaccination mandate but does have policies to encourage it, which have also faced massive protests. Both and the US have first-dose vaccination rates within ten percentage points of each other. In all three countries, the pushback is primarily from populist/right-wing political movements. This is not a strictly American phenomenon.
- Clubber 5y ago
  >In all three countries, the pushback is primarily from populist/right-wing political movements. This article says, at least in the US, the poor and young are the least likely to get a vaccine. You have any data for your political assertion that it's primarily right wingers? Keep in mind, politicizing COVID is what got us where we are today. https://www.vox.com/22587443/covid-19-vaccine-refusal-hesitancy-variant-delta-cases-rate https://www.vox.com/22587443/covid-19-vaccine-refusal-hesita...
- sAbakumoff 5y ago
  note that I wrote "MOST EU countries". So, you suggestion that it's not true makes zero sense.
paulgb 5y ago
Besides the (insane and infuriating) politicization of the vaccine, I wonder how much of the problem comes down to a fear of the US healthcare system for those who are uninsured or have catastrophic-only coverage. I worry that people fear they'll go in for a “free” shot and end up getting a $300 bill in the mail, because hidden costs abound in the US healthcare system. (Even though we know that they won't)
- mgkimsal 5y ago
  "They" might. I blacked out after my second Pfizer shot, and was ambulanced to an ER. This was $4k, not really my choice. Yes, I have health insurance. Everything was repriced to the 'negotiated' insurance rate, and it was still ~$2k. On top of the $1k/month I already pay (me and spouse). I would get the shot again, without a doubt, but it still hits people.
  - taylodl 5y ago
    This is extremely insightful. I wonder how many uninsured/underinsured people are afraid of getting hit with an unexpected medical bill? I'll be honest, having insurance I often times don't think of these things.
    - germinalphrase 5y ago
      There was a period of my life in which I was underinsured (catastrophic only). I ended up burning my foot badly enough that the nurse line insisted I do to urgent care. Three people walked in, looked at my foot, told me not to pop the blister. I walked away with two pain pills and a bill for $4,000 that I negotiated down to about $3200. You’re sure as hell right that it was going to take something catastrophic for me to walk through those doors again. Edit: I have a job that offers decent insurance now, but my immediate emotional reaction to healthcare in the United States is very negative (even though I quite like my doctor, dentist, etc). I believe our system is corrupted and abusive towards the poor.
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  I think more it’s an indirect side effect. Healthcare is so expensive that people no longer go to a family doctor but avoid the doctor and get their information/advice from their social circle and the Internet or alternative medicine.
- CyanLite2 5y ago
  I think people are truly terrified of the long-term effects due to over-litigation here in America. You can't turn on the TV, Facebook, YouTube, etc. without a class action lawsuit message in the form of: "Have you used baby powder in the past 2 years? If so, you may be eligible for compensation under the Talcum Powder Class Action Lawsuit, call us at..." The seemingly "safe" things in America that we take for granted, like baby powder, or Round-Up weed killer, or even tap water in Michigan has turned out to be not so safe.
_-david-_ 5y ago
The young and minorities have some of the highest rates of not being vaccinated. Are those demographics heavily right wing?
- sAbakumoff 5y ago
  do you have any evidence of what you said?
  - _-david-_ 5y ago
    Just to clarify something. When I said minorities I was only talking about Hispanic and black. Not Asian. I should have been more precise in my wording. Breakdown by age https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker/ https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trac... Here is a breakdown by race in each state https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...
    - sAbakumoff 5y ago
      Did you have breakdown by political party?
      - _-david-_ 5y ago
        Younger people along with Hispanics and blacks are more likely members of the Democratic Party than other parties. I haven't seen the vaccine rate and party breakdown though.
        sAbakumoff 5y ago
        Like it or not, but it's the GOP that fights covid measures tooth and nails and poisons society with insane propaganda while their own supporters die every day. Hopefully any prospect of GOP taking back the house and the Senate will die as well

md_ 5y ago

Not true. Germany has the "three g" mandate (and it has faced significant pushback). France has no vaccination mandate but does have policies to encourage it, which have also faced massive protests. Both and the US have first-dose vaccination rates within ten percentage points of each other. In all three countries, the pushback is primarily from populist/right-wing political movements. This is not a strictly American phenomenon.

Clubber 5y ago
>In all three countries, the pushback is primarily from populist/right-wing political movements. This article says, at least in the US, the poor and young are the least likely to get a vaccine. You have any data for your political assertion that it's primarily right wingers? Keep in mind, politicizing COVID is what got us where we are today. https://www.vox.com/22587443/covid-19-vaccine-refusal-hesitancy-variant-delta-cases-rate https://www.vox.com/22587443/covid-19-vaccine-refusal-hesita...
sAbakumoff 5y ago
note that I wrote "MOST EU countries". So, you suggestion that it's not true makes zero sense.

paulgb 5y ago

Besides the (insane and infuriating) politicization of the vaccine, I wonder how much of the problem comes down to a fear of the US healthcare system for those who are uninsured or have catastrophic-only coverage. I worry that people fear they'll go in for a “free” shot and end up getting a $300 bill in the mail, because hidden costs abound in the US healthcare system. (Even though we know that they won't)

mgkimsal 5y ago
"They" might. I blacked out after my second Pfizer shot, and was ambulanced to an ER. This was $4k, not really my choice. Yes, I have health insurance. Everything was repriced to the 'negotiated' insurance rate, and it was still ~$2k. On top of the $1k/month I already pay (me and spouse). I would get the shot again, without a doubt, but it still hits people.
- taylodl 5y ago
  This is extremely insightful. I wonder how many uninsured/underinsured people are afraid of getting hit with an unexpected medical bill? I'll be honest, having insurance I often times don't think of these things.
  - germinalphrase 5y ago
    There was a period of my life in which I was underinsured (catastrophic only). I ended up burning my foot badly enough that the nurse line insisted I do to urgent care. Three people walked in, looked at my foot, told me not to pop the blister. I walked away with two pain pills and a bill for $4,000 that I negotiated down to about $3200. You’re sure as hell right that it was going to take something catastrophic for me to walk through those doors again. Edit: I have a job that offers decent insurance now, but my immediate emotional reaction to healthcare in the United States is very negative (even though I quite like my doctor, dentist, etc). I believe our system is corrupted and abusive towards the poor.
Robotbeat 5y ago
I think more it’s an indirect side effect. Healthcare is so expensive that people no longer go to a family doctor but avoid the doctor and get their information/advice from their social circle and the Internet or alternative medicine.
CyanLite2 5y ago
I think people are truly terrified of the long-term effects due to over-litigation here in America. You can't turn on the TV, Facebook, YouTube, etc. without a class action lawsuit message in the form of: "Have you used baby powder in the past 2 years? If so, you may be eligible for compensation under the Talcum Powder Class Action Lawsuit, call us at..." The seemingly "safe" things in America that we take for granted, like baby powder, or Round-Up weed killer, or even tap water in Michigan has turned out to be not so safe.

_-david-_ 5y ago

The young and minorities have some of the highest rates of not being vaccinated. Are those demographics heavily right wing?

sAbakumoff 5y ago
do you have any evidence of what you said?
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  Just to clarify something. When I said minorities I was only talking about Hispanic and black. Not Asian. I should have been more precise in my wording. Breakdown by age https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker/ https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trac... Here is a breakdown by race in each state https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...
  - sAbakumoff 5y ago
    Did you have breakdown by political party?
    - _-david-_ 5y ago
      Younger people along with Hispanics and blacks are more likely members of the Democratic Party than other parties. I haven't seen the vaccine rate and party breakdown though.
      - sAbakumoff 5y ago
        Like it or not, but it's the GOP that fights covid measures tooth and nails and poisons society with insane propaganda while their own supporters die every day. Hopefully any prospect of GOP taking back the house and the Senate will die as well