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Why ignore the GPs argument? Israel has vaccinated 61% of their population. Of course the 39% who aren't vaccinated will continue to spread it like before, even

Why ignore the GPs argument? Israel has vaccinated 61% of their population. Of course the 39% who aren't vaccinated will continue to spread it like before, even more so if restrictions are lifted.

over_the_raibow 5y ago
>Of course the 39% who aren't vaccinated will continue to spread it like before Why do you lie, vaccinated people spread the virus just as much
jtc331 5y ago
The 61% is misleading because it includes children ineligible for the vaccine. My undertow that they’ve vaccinated something like 80% of adults (one of the highest on the world).
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- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  80% of adults is misleading because it excludes children who can still get the virus and spread it to others tbh the concept of herd immunity doesn't care about who the law says can get vaccinated
  - angelzen 5y ago
    An unvaccinated child has less chance of severe covid compared to a vaccinated adult. Covid is different between child and adults, reasonable to hypothesize that transmission is also different. > Evidence from studies primarily done before vaccine approval for those 12 years of age and older suggests that staff-to-staff transmission is more common than transmission from students to staff, staff to student, or student to student. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/transmission_k_12_schools.html#sars-cov-2 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...
    - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
      "less chance of severe covid compared to a vaccinated adult" is an attempt to move the goalposts to an irrelevant point if they're vaccinated, they count towards the numerator if they are a person, and thus have a nonzero chance of getting infected, and a nonzero chance of infecting others if infected, they count towards the denominator that's how you determine vaccination rate
makomk 5y ago
You see the sibling comment to that one, about how the UK's "very high vaccination rates" means that we've been out of lockdown for a while, are returning to normal life, and have very few hospitalizations for Covid? Well, we've only vaccinated 65% of our population, barely more than Israel - and I think we have demographics which lean more towards age groups at higher risk from Covid than Israel as well. The headline government figures are higher, but they're for over-16s which are the only group eligible for vaccination here.

Why ignore the GPs argument? Israel has vaccinated 61% of their population. Of course the 39% who aren't vaccinated will continue to spread it like before, even more so if restrictions are lifted.

over_the_raibow 5y ago

>Of course the 39% who aren't vaccinated will continue to spread it like before Why do you lie, vaccinated people spread the virus just as much

jtc331 5y ago

The 61% is misleading because it includes children ineligible for the vaccine. My undertow that they’ve vaccinated something like 80% of adults (one of the highest on the world).

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ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
80% of adults is misleading because it excludes children who can still get the virus and spread it to others tbh the concept of herd immunity doesn't care about who the law says can get vaccinated
- angelzen 5y ago
  An unvaccinated child has less chance of severe covid compared to a vaccinated adult. Covid is different between child and adults, reasonable to hypothesize that transmission is also different. > Evidence from studies primarily done before vaccine approval for those 12 years of age and older suggests that staff-to-staff transmission is more common than transmission from students to staff, staff to student, or student to student. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/transmission_k_12_schools.html#sars-cov-2 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...
  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    "less chance of severe covid compared to a vaccinated adult" is an attempt to move the goalposts to an irrelevant point if they're vaccinated, they count towards the numerator if they are a person, and thus have a nonzero chance of getting infected, and a nonzero chance of infecting others if infected, they count towards the denominator that's how you determine vaccination rate

makomk 5y ago

You see the sibling comment to that one, about how the UK's "very high vaccination rates" means that we've been out of lockdown for a while, are returning to normal life, and have very few hospitalizations for Covid? Well, we've only vaccinated 65% of our population, barely more than Israel - and I think we have demographics which lean more towards age groups at higher risk from Covid than Israel as well. The headline government figures are higher, but they're for over-16s which are the only group eligible for vaccination here.