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> Does restriction of financial tools that are used to abet the intentional harming of innocent victims (which virtually everyone else but you refers to as a cr

> Does restriction of financial tools that are used to abet the intentional harming of innocent victims (which virtually everyone else but you refers to as a crime) help reduce the harming of those victims or not? No it does not, because the state can simply borrow from its people. The state will not be limited in its ability to carry out these actions. Only individuals who try and commit financial crimes will be materially impacted. Again the question you keep dodging is what makes you think the government won't be able to borrow to fund its wars in exactly the same way it does now, and exactly the same way it did for hundreds of years under sound money? > Which virtually everyone else but you refers to as a crime. Uh, if they did it would be a crime. But you're gonna need to cite some sources! More than likely the international community is onboard because the target state violated international norms and they see this as the lesser of two evils, and therefore not a crime. Don't project your morality here :) we're talking about a very difficult concept. There's no right or wrong here, no absolutes. Just minimization of harm. Nobody's flying this ship!

quantumBerry 5y ago
>No it does not, because the state can simply borrow from its people. Thank you. Now that we've established that restricting financial tools does not stop the harming of innocent victims, it follows that a state such as El Salvador adopting bitcoin (or for instance, an allegedly untraceable currency such as monero) as legal tender as part of its monetary policy does not lead to increased harming of innocents. Those with desire to harm others, including those in government, could simply borrow or trade fiat from the other ilk who like to harm others. You now understanding why restricting crypto doesn't prevent the underlying crimes (now a criminal just has to steal your identity or use one of the other gazillion illegal and legal ways to move funds) to transfer his funds abroad instead of using coinbase and a cellphone. Killing the legality of crypto stops the law abiding unbanked from having a very low cost means of international transfer. You understand now that restricting access to fertilizer to prevent bombs is stupid, because now the common man who grows food can no longer provide the grain stock for the nation. Or restricting guns from the peaceful is asinine because it disarms the innocent against the criminal who can buy a gun readily on the black market virtually anywhere in the world or failing that 3d print a very reliable one for only a few hundred dollars including ammunition out of unrestricted materials even in Europe. > But you're gonna need to cite some sources! You're the first person who's ever actually demanded from me I cite the fact that the US has harmed innocents in war, but here you go![1]. That's just one bombing, there's plenty more acts such as as the My Lai massacre but I don't enjoy seeing more pictures of dead 2 year olds which you say is the "will of the people" since it was done by the government. Or perhaps we are a "failed" state? >Don't project your morality here :) Is it even a contentious subject that the bombing of innocents is wrong? What about the killing of nuns in El Salvador by US backed regime? Why do you think discussion of morality is off limits? If there is to be a government, is it not just that it at least be used to deal with the most gravest of brutal acts such as the killing of innocents? [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacuation-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacua...

quantumBerry 5y ago

>No it does not, because the state can simply borrow from its people. Thank you. Now that we've established that restricting financial tools does not stop the harming of innocent victims, it follows that a state such as El Salvador adopting bitcoin (or for instance, an allegedly untraceable currency such as monero) as legal tender as part of its monetary policy does not lead to increased harming of innocents. Those with desire to harm others, including those in government, could simply borrow or trade fiat from the other ilk who like to harm others. You now understanding why restricting crypto doesn't prevent the underlying crimes (now a criminal just has to steal your identity or use one of the other gazillion illegal and legal ways to move funds) to transfer his funds abroad instead of using coinbase and a cellphone. Killing the legality of crypto stops the law abiding unbanked from having a very low cost means of international transfer. You understand now that restricting access to fertilizer to prevent bombs is stupid, because now the common man who grows food can no longer provide the grain stock for the nation. Or restricting guns from the peaceful is asinine because it disarms the innocent against the criminal who can buy a gun readily on the black market virtually anywhere in the world or failing that 3d print a very reliable one for only a few hundred dollars including ammunition out of unrestricted materials even in Europe. > But you're gonna need to cite some sources! You're the first person who's ever actually demanded from me I cite the fact that the US has harmed innocents in war, but here you go![1]. That's just one bombing, there's plenty more acts such as as the My Lai massacre but I don't enjoy seeing more pictures of dead 2 year olds which you say is the "will of the people" since it was done by the government. Or perhaps we are a "failed" state? >Don't project your morality here :) Is it even a contentious subject that the bombing of innocents is wrong? What about the killing of nuns in El Salvador by US backed regime? Why do you think discussion of morality is off limits? If there is to be a government, is it not just that it at least be used to deal with the most gravest of brutal acts such as the killing of innocents? [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacuation-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacua...