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Related HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28241917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28241917

badRNG 5y ago
Jesus Christ that thread is a mess... > Is this really a common thing people do? Take nude photos and leave them in the phone? > It amazes me that people take photos of themselves naked. They will be leaked eventually. I mean, I expected victim-blaming here on this site, but to the degree to feign surprise that people use the devices they own and control to live lives that include a sexual dimension is a new level of ridiculousness.
- lliamander 5y ago
  Most of the normal, non-techie folks I have talked to about this find the idea of taking nudes as scandalous and wouldn't take the risk. I don't have a strong moral objection to using personal computing devices in that manner, but I think many people are nervous about the risks.
  - zarzavat 5y ago
    How old are your friends? For younger generations it would be weird not to have nudes on your phone.
    - lliamander 5y ago
      Early thirties on average. I'm young enough that sending nudes on phones was a thing (if not necessarily a big thing) in high school. The thing is, if someone has nudes of you on their phone, there's a non-zero chance those nudes will end up on the Internet. Maybe you like your odds, but plenty of people dont.
  - lallysingh 5y ago
    Yet they wouldn't be surprised that the devices are used to download nudes of others! There's a consumer-only angle here that's interesting.
  - badRNG 5y ago
    >Most of the normal, non-techie folks I have talked to about this find the idea of taking nudes as scandalous and wouldn't take the risk. Damn near every person I've ever met in my age group who has used a smartphone or computer has used it for every aspect of their personal lives to include the sexual parts of their lives. There is an expectation of privacy that average folks have on their devices. It's where they search for their most sensitive medical information, search for relationship advice, watch porn, and explore their curiosities without censorship. I'm not sure where you are finding these puritan self-censoring non-techies who treat their devices as open books, but I've certainly never met them.
    - refurb 5y ago
      This is a company phone.
      - emptyparadise 5y ago
        The company also heavily pushes you towards using that corporate phone.
        SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        That’s another way to write can not prevent you from having a personal phone and using that one for intimate things.
        dgellow 5y ago
        Do we have proofs that’s the case? (I.e: that Apple pushes to use same account for work and private life) That has been repeated multiple times but I haven’t seen something that could confirm it.
        refurb 5y ago
        Huh? It’s a company phone. If they push you to use it, that’s why they have it to you. If you have naked pictures of yourself on your corporate phone that’s 100% your fault.
    - 5y ago
  - knaik94 5y ago
    Most of the normal, non-techie folks I know use non end to end encrypted chats to send nudes. I had to convince them whatsapp was better than snapchat. Maybe people have different feelings based on if they grew up with technology.
  - makeitdouble 5y ago
    To note, nudes don't need to be sexual. Someone dieting and taking naked photos every day would be a normal thing to do, for instance. There must thousands of other reasons someone could take nude photos of themselves on devices they assume only them has access to.
- onedognight 5y ago
  She did not own or control this device. According to article it was a work phone.
  - omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure she controlled it.
    - KingOfCoders 5y ago
      As soon as Apple enables scanning, no one controls their iPhone anymore.
  - geofft 5y ago
    The whole context here is that Apple strongly discourages its employees from having a separate work and personal phone.
    - emma-w 5y ago
      Wait what? Really? Why?
      - blondin 5y ago
        no that's not true. someone who said they were working for apple contradicted that fact in the other thread. i personally find the claims weird and have never seen it anywhere. my experience is that some employees choose to use company devices as personal devices. or personal accounts as company accounts, etc. again, the way things are today, i don't expect many apple employees to come forward and tell us the way things are.
    - smegger001 5y ago
      You know, If my job tried to actively discourage me from having a two separate phones while retaining the right to search a work phone. I would take that as a warning to absolutely keep two devices and not let them touch my personal device.
- refurb 5y ago
  On a company phone? You’d have to be nuts to do that.
  - chadcmulligan 5y ago
    Indeed, I discussed this with a couple of people and their reaction was the same.
- _3u10 5y ago
  Wait til they find out that people take these photos with intention to send them to those they are fond of.
- _3u10 5y ago
  It hasn’t been established that she’s a victim of anything. Sounds more like accuser blaming.
- josefx 5y ago
  > but to the degree to feign surprise that people use the devices they own and control to live lives that include a sexual dimension is a new level of ridiculousness. The company I work for made it outright clear that while I could unlock my privately owned phone for business access, they would take complete control of it and install monitoring software in order to protect company data. I would have lost any pretense of privacy if I signed up to that without getting myself a second, non-business, phone. I didn't sign up since it just would have reduced my free time even more, but I know plenty of people with separate business and private phones. The only surprising thing would be if apple wasn't just as upfront about the complete lack of privacy involved with a company phone.
- Grustaf 5y ago
  Would you store nude photos of yourself on your company laptop?
- iD0it4thedrUgz 5y ago
  This is incorrect. The photos ended up on the phone because she synced her personal iCloud.
- khazhoux 5y ago
  In what world is it a good idea to take nude selfies on the same device that you use to take pictures of the whiteboard after technical meetings? A device that will be full of internal apps (to connect to Apple VPN, to see shuttle schedules, internal bug tracker, daily menus) not to mention the device that contains all your work emails, all your work contacts, and all your work events. Pro-tip: don't take a picture of your tickly parts on a device that is one mis-click away from sharing to your entire team. And don't freak out when you have to turn over your phone, untouched, if it's required for legal retention. In fact, retention policy is part of the mandatory training -- she knew what might happen with that device, but just ignored it.
afro88 5y ago
Better thread (your thread was flagged): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28241753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28241753

Jesus Christ that thread is a mess... > Is this really a common thing people do? Take nude photos and leave them in the phone? > It amazes me that people take photos of themselves naked. They will be leaked eventually. I mean, I expected victim-blaming here on this site, but to the degree to feign surprise that people use the devices they own and control to live lives that include a sexual dimension is a new level of ridiculousness.

lliamander 5y ago
Most of the normal, non-techie folks I have talked to about this find the idea of taking nudes as scandalous and wouldn't take the risk. I don't have a strong moral objection to using personal computing devices in that manner, but I think many people are nervous about the risks.
- zarzavat 5y ago
  How old are your friends? For younger generations it would be weird not to have nudes on your phone.
  - lliamander 5y ago
    Early thirties on average. I'm young enough that sending nudes on phones was a thing (if not necessarily a big thing) in high school. The thing is, if someone has nudes of you on their phone, there's a non-zero chance those nudes will end up on the Internet. Maybe you like your odds, but plenty of people dont.
- lallysingh 5y ago
  Yet they wouldn't be surprised that the devices are used to download nudes of others! There's a consumer-only angle here that's interesting.
- badRNG 5y ago
  >Most of the normal, non-techie folks I have talked to about this find the idea of taking nudes as scandalous and wouldn't take the risk. Damn near every person I've ever met in my age group who has used a smartphone or computer has used it for every aspect of their personal lives to include the sexual parts of their lives. There is an expectation of privacy that average folks have on their devices. It's where they search for their most sensitive medical information, search for relationship advice, watch porn, and explore their curiosities without censorship. I'm not sure where you are finding these puritan self-censoring non-techies who treat their devices as open books, but I've certainly never met them.
  - refurb 5y ago
    This is a company phone.
    - emptyparadise 5y ago
      The company also heavily pushes you towards using that corporate phone.
      - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        That’s another way to write can not prevent you from having a personal phone and using that one for intimate things.
      - dgellow 5y ago
        Do we have proofs that’s the case? (I.e: that Apple pushes to use same account for work and private life) That has been repeated multiple times but I haven’t seen something that could confirm it.
      - refurb 5y ago
        Huh? It’s a company phone. If they push you to use it, that’s why they have it to you. If you have naked pictures of yourself on your corporate phone that’s 100% your fault.
  - 5y ago
- knaik94 5y ago
  Most of the normal, non-techie folks I know use non end to end encrypted chats to send nudes. I had to convince them whatsapp was better than snapchat. Maybe people have different feelings based on if they grew up with technology.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  To note, nudes don't need to be sexual. Someone dieting and taking naked photos every day would be a normal thing to do, for instance. There must thousands of other reasons someone could take nude photos of themselves on devices they assume only them has access to.
onedognight 5y ago
She did not own or control this device. According to article it was a work phone.
- omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure she controlled it.
  - KingOfCoders 5y ago
    As soon as Apple enables scanning, no one controls their iPhone anymore.
- geofft 5y ago
  The whole context here is that Apple strongly discourages its employees from having a separate work and personal phone.
  - emma-w 5y ago
    Wait what? Really? Why?
    - blondin 5y ago
      no that's not true. someone who said they were working for apple contradicted that fact in the other thread. i personally find the claims weird and have never seen it anywhere. my experience is that some employees choose to use company devices as personal devices. or personal accounts as company accounts, etc. again, the way things are today, i don't expect many apple employees to come forward and tell us the way things are.
  - smegger001 5y ago
    You know, If my job tried to actively discourage me from having a two separate phones while retaining the right to search a work phone. I would take that as a warning to absolutely keep two devices and not let them touch my personal device.
refurb 5y ago
On a company phone? You’d have to be nuts to do that.
- chadcmulligan 5y ago
  Indeed, I discussed this with a couple of people and their reaction was the same.
_3u10 5y ago
Wait til they find out that people take these photos with intention to send them to those they are fond of.
_3u10 5y ago
It hasn’t been established that she’s a victim of anything. Sounds more like accuser blaming.
josefx 5y ago
> but to the degree to feign surprise that people use the devices they own and control to live lives that include a sexual dimension is a new level of ridiculousness. The company I work for made it outright clear that while I could unlock my privately owned phone for business access, they would take complete control of it and install monitoring software in order to protect company data. I would have lost any pretense of privacy if I signed up to that without getting myself a second, non-business, phone. I didn't sign up since it just would have reduced my free time even more, but I know plenty of people with separate business and private phones. The only surprising thing would be if apple wasn't just as upfront about the complete lack of privacy involved with a company phone.
Grustaf 5y ago
Would you store nude photos of yourself on your company laptop?
iD0it4thedrUgz 5y ago
This is incorrect. The photos ended up on the phone because she synced her personal iCloud.
khazhoux 5y ago
In what world is it a good idea to take nude selfies on the same device that you use to take pictures of the whiteboard after technical meetings? A device that will be full of internal apps (to connect to Apple VPN, to see shuttle schedules, internal bug tracker, daily menus) not to mention the device that contains all your work emails, all your work contacts, and all your work events. Pro-tip: don't take a picture of your tickly parts on a device that is one mis-click away from sharing to your entire team. And don't freak out when you have to turn over your phone, untouched, if it's required for legal retention. In fact, retention policy is part of the mandatory training -- she knew what might happen with that device, but just ignored it.

afro88 5y ago

Better thread (your thread was flagged): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28241753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28241753