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All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle. Eight years aft

by dsr_ 5y ago

All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle. Eight years after that the name of Trump will be invoked as a meaningless benediction the way that Reagan is used now.

krapp 5y ago
>All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle I think Trump stopped being a viable figurehead for his own movement once the stop-the-steal movement and insurrection failed to prevent Biden's election, and date after date after date for Trump's triumphant return passed without incident. Republicans are going to have to move on from him either way.
- warning26 5y ago
  Unlikely; the republicans worship Trump in a way wholly distinct from past presidents (except possibly Reagan) I'm not even certain his death would put a stop to the cult of personality that has arose around him.
  - UncleOxidant 5y ago
    Pretty sure they'd nominate Jr if anything happened to Sr.
- pstuart 5y ago
  It's hard to forecast this. Trump supporters are effectively a cult, and every time something came along that made me think "ok, this time he's done it" (e.g., shooting someone on 5th Ave, which he was correct in his assessment), I've been proven wrong. We are still in uncharted waters.
  - rayiner 5y ago
    Nope. They represent the economically moderate, culturally conservative segment of the population. (Fun fact: if you put Germany’s CDU’s positions into NYT’s political party poll, you end up in Trump’s Patriot Party: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/republicans-democrats-parties.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/repub....
    - Tomte 5y ago
      What's fascinating is that the CDU has long been criticised for having moved left, and that "real conservatives" have no political home anymore. That's part of AfD's success.
      - rayiner 5y ago
        You wouldn’t find posters like this even at a Trump rally: https://www.smh.com.au/world/farright-white-noise-of-alternative-for-germany-changes-election-landscape-20170922-gymmkm.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/farright-white-noise-of-alterna... Compared to Europe, Trump’s “immigrants are bringing crime” stuff is on the gamer end of the right wing.
    - tptacek 5y ago
      I don't think that's true at all. I just played out the quiz over CDU positions (replacing "America" with "Germany", and correcting for places where German law is already to the "left" of American law). I came up with: Marijuana: Somewhat pro-legalization Same-sex marriage: No Immigration difficulty: Much harder Reduce regulations: Somewhat disagree Reduce police forces: Somewhat disagree Universal health care: Strong agree Science unimportant: Strong disagree Raise minimum wage: Somewhat agree Better Germany than elsewhere: Strong agree Gun control: Stricter Whites systematically advantaged: Somewhat disagree. Abortion: Illegal in all cases. Economy is unfair: Somewhat agree Racial minorities can advance: Neutral Discrimination against whites > blacks: Somewhat disagree Raise taxes on high earners: Yes Path to citizenship: No Wealthy people spur innovation: Somewhat agree Climate change: Somewhat important Reduce income differences: Somewhat agree I think I can cite coverage for each of these positions, and, in come cases, actual votes. Someone reading this actually is a German who pays attention to German politics and can correct me if need be. Remember: these questions are all relative to the American status quo. I wound up "nearest" the "New Labor Party", but in the top-left quadrant (where there are no party clusters in the American VOTERS data set). As one would expect, as a German CDU member, I'd be much more socially conservative than the "liberal" parties NYT proposes --- but notably distant from the Patriot party! --- and much more economically liberal than the "conservative" NYT parties. Mainstream German politics are definitely outside of the "liberal" consensus of the US; you're at least half right about that. But there are a lot of positions of the Trump-era Republican party that are way out of the mainstream of the conservative German consensus.
- iammisc 5y ago
  You're right. Most republicans I've talked with, myself included, want someone like trump but more conservative and more effective. Given that that person has not yet materialized, it's the party of trump until they appear.

by dsr_ 5y ago

krapp 5y ago

>All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle I think Trump stopped being a viable figurehead for his own movement once the stop-the-steal movement and insurrection failed to prevent Biden's election, and date after date after date for Trump's triumphant return passed without incident. Republicans are going to have to move on from him either way.

warning26 5y ago
Unlikely; the republicans worship Trump in a way wholly distinct from past presidents (except possibly Reagan) I'm not even certain his death would put a stop to the cult of personality that has arose around him.
- UncleOxidant 5y ago
  Pretty sure they'd nominate Jr if anything happened to Sr.
pstuart 5y ago
It's hard to forecast this. Trump supporters are effectively a cult, and every time something came along that made me think "ok, this time he's done it" (e.g., shooting someone on 5th Ave, which he was correct in his assessment), I've been proven wrong. We are still in uncharted waters.
- rayiner 5y ago
  Nope. They represent the economically moderate, culturally conservative segment of the population. (Fun fact: if you put Germany’s CDU’s positions into NYT’s political party poll, you end up in Trump’s Patriot Party: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/republicans-democrats-parties.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/repub....
  - Tomte 5y ago
    What's fascinating is that the CDU has long been criticised for having moved left, and that "real conservatives" have no political home anymore. That's part of AfD's success.
    - rayiner 5y ago
      You wouldn’t find posters like this even at a Trump rally: https://www.smh.com.au/world/farright-white-noise-of-alternative-for-germany-changes-election-landscape-20170922-gymmkm.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/farright-white-noise-of-alterna... Compared to Europe, Trump’s “immigrants are bringing crime” stuff is on the gamer end of the right wing.
  - tptacek 5y ago
    I don't think that's true at all. I just played out the quiz over CDU positions (replacing "America" with "Germany", and correcting for places where German law is already to the "left" of American law). I came up with: Marijuana: Somewhat pro-legalization Same-sex marriage: No Immigration difficulty: Much harder Reduce regulations: Somewhat disagree Reduce police forces: Somewhat disagree Universal health care: Strong agree Science unimportant: Strong disagree Raise minimum wage: Somewhat agree Better Germany than elsewhere: Strong agree Gun control: Stricter Whites systematically advantaged: Somewhat disagree. Abortion: Illegal in all cases. Economy is unfair: Somewhat agree Racial minorities can advance: Neutral Discrimination against whites > blacks: Somewhat disagree Raise taxes on high earners: Yes Path to citizenship: No Wealthy people spur innovation: Somewhat agree Climate change: Somewhat important Reduce income differences: Somewhat agree I think I can cite coverage for each of these positions, and, in come cases, actual votes. Someone reading this actually is a German who pays attention to German politics and can correct me if need be. Remember: these questions are all relative to the American status quo. I wound up "nearest" the "New Labor Party", but in the top-left quadrant (where there are no party clusters in the American VOTERS data set). As one would expect, as a German CDU member, I'd be much more socially conservative than the "liberal" parties NYT proposes --- but notably distant from the Patriot party! --- and much more economically liberal than the "conservative" NYT parties. Mainstream German politics are definitely outside of the "liberal" consensus of the US; you're at least half right about that. But there are a lot of positions of the Trump-era Republican party that are way out of the mainstream of the conservative German consensus.
iammisc 5y ago
You're right. Most republicans I've talked with, myself included, want someone like trump but more conservative and more effective. Given that that person has not yet materialized, it's the party of trump until they appear.