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Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conse

Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. Someone who captured this base while remaining appealing to some moderates/independents would do quite well.

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oxymoran 5y ago
He wouldn’t be able to capture the GOP endorsing UBI and universal healthcare.
- Cola 5y ago
  I think UBI and healthcare would be the least of his issues. Trump showed that social conservatism/fiscal liberalism could be a winning formula for GOP voters. I wouldn’t be surprised if some young, socially conservative candidate in 2024/2028 who is willing to cancel debt/fund stimulus/healthcare wins by a landslide.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    They could've done that for many election cycles, but the GOP is ultimately in the hands of big business donors and isn't about to do that. Not that the Democrats aren't either, but they are at least offset by unions and similar groups.
  - sterlind 5y ago
    I'm afraid you're right about the GOP and it scares me. If Trump had been a better technocrat, I think it would have been very difficult to unseat him in 2020 and he could have brought the US in a very conservative, adversarial direction by effectively implementing his policies.
- walshemj 5y ago
  Boris seems to be trying to pivot some aspects of the conservative party that way.
- kcplate 5y ago
  For the GOP it’s more his healthcare stance than UBI that sinks him. And ironically the flip side is true for democrats. A lot of democrats act like they support UBI, but they really don’t. They think it’s just about giving money to the lower middle class downward. You tell them that UBI means giving a millionaire the same check as the poor guy and the hackles get raised.
slothtrop 5y ago
He appears popular with moderates and reactionaries to identity politics, but the share of supporters probably wouldn't be higher were he in the GOP, not to mention that his values / platform are staunchly Dem.
- jeffreyrogers 5y ago
  Does he want to win or does he want to remain ideologically pure? He can't have it both ways.
  - slothtrop 5y ago
    I don't think he was ever ideologically pure. But he still wants to be distinct.
cabalamat 5y ago
> Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. Or if someone like Yang but more socially conservative tried to capture the GOP. Then in 2024 when neither of them win their ticket, but both do fairly well, getting lots of publicity, they join forces to run as a 3rd party. Obviously the establishment would try hard to squash them -- but tens of millions hate the establishment! > There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. And a lot of Democrat voters who don't like the Dems, just dislike the Reps more.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  > There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. > And a lot of Democrat voters who don't like the Dems, just dislike the Reps more. Yeah, we should unite forces and vote for someone who's sole campaign promise is to dismantle the two-party system.
walshemj 5y ago
Yep the GOP needed a long term project like the Labor had in the UK to remove clause 4 and kick out the "tankie" / "hobbyist" element. One member one vote instead of primaries would be a good start as would be outlawing the presidential "venal offices" an have a fully professional civil service. The Big companies need to get together and support Eisenhower era sensible GOP candidates.
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oxymoran 5y ago

He wouldn’t be able to capture the GOP endorsing UBI and universal healthcare.

Cola 5y ago
I think UBI and healthcare would be the least of his issues. Trump showed that social conservatism/fiscal liberalism could be a winning formula for GOP voters. I wouldn’t be surprised if some young, socially conservative candidate in 2024/2028 who is willing to cancel debt/fund stimulus/healthcare wins by a landslide.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  They could've done that for many election cycles, but the GOP is ultimately in the hands of big business donors and isn't about to do that. Not that the Democrats aren't either, but they are at least offset by unions and similar groups.
- sterlind 5y ago
  I'm afraid you're right about the GOP and it scares me. If Trump had been a better technocrat, I think it would have been very difficult to unseat him in 2020 and he could have brought the US in a very conservative, adversarial direction by effectively implementing his policies.
walshemj 5y ago
Boris seems to be trying to pivot some aspects of the conservative party that way.
kcplate 5y ago
For the GOP it’s more his healthcare stance than UBI that sinks him. And ironically the flip side is true for democrats. A lot of democrats act like they support UBI, but they really don’t. They think it’s just about giving money to the lower middle class downward. You tell them that UBI means giving a millionaire the same check as the poor guy and the hackles get raised.

slothtrop 5y ago

He appears popular with moderates and reactionaries to identity politics, but the share of supporters probably wouldn't be higher were he in the GOP, not to mention that his values / platform are staunchly Dem.

jeffreyrogers 5y ago
Does he want to win or does he want to remain ideologically pure? He can't have it both ways.
- slothtrop 5y ago
  I don't think he was ever ideologically pure. But he still wants to be distinct.

cabalamat 5y ago

> Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. Or if someone like Yang but more socially conservative tried to capture the GOP. Then in 2024 when neither of them win their ticket, but both do fairly well, getting lots of publicity, they join forces to run as a 3rd party. Obviously the establishment would try hard to squash them -- but tens of millions hate the establishment! > There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. And a lot of Democrat voters who don't like the Dems, just dislike the Reps more.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. > And a lot of Democrat voters who don't like the Dems, just dislike the Reps more. Yeah, we should unite forces and vote for someone who's sole campaign promise is to dismantle the two-party system.

walshemj 5y ago

Yep the GOP needed a long term project like the Labor had in the UK to remove clause 4 and kick out the "tankie" / "hobbyist" element. One member one vote instead of primaries would be a good start as would be outlawing the presidential "venal offices" an have a fully professional civil service. The Big companies need to get together and support Eisenhower era sensible GOP candidates.

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