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Genuine, non-inflammatory question: Who's behind this, in China? I know that "Winnie the Pooh" gets the public blame, but this seems to be a very... public, pro

Genuine, non-inflammatory question: Who's behind this, in China? I know that "Winnie the Pooh" gets the public blame, but this seems to be a very... public, provocative thing to do. Is the person ordering it aware of that, and how provocative it is? Is it Carrie Lam? Their chief of police? Orders from someone higher up in the party, maybe at the ministerial level? Or does the order really from the top? Frankly, I would think that Mr Xiping would have better things to do running a country of a billion people than decide to provoke the HK populace on a random day in September. Edit: very rudely, please tell me why you're down-voting me if you are?

nness 5y ago
I'm the furthest thing from an expert, but if you think about it from a PR/publicity sense, its the best time to do it; 1. No one is paying attention due to the pandemic, 2. By 2047, there'll be no dissodence left and the transition will seem smooth, instead of a fight. The press will say the transition happened with minimal incidence, and it allows China to de-value any protests/outcry from other countries.
sudosysgen 5y ago
No one in particular. Many people agreed about a plan years ago, with various factors they set out to trigger various steps, and those determined that today was a suitable day and no one objected specifically, so it went ahead. That's the most likely scenario. Xi himself probably spent very little time on this in the recent past.
germainelol 5y ago
You assume that they care if the public are provoked.
phantomathkg 5y ago
> Who's behind this, in China? Xi and his ally within the CCP. Even within CCP there are power split and Xi needs to create a scene to concentrate the power to himself. > Is the person ordering it aware of that Surely they do, but to CCP, this is the only way to make them feel confident enough, by squashing all dissidents. > Is it Carrie Lam? Their chief of police?... Personally, I guess the order from CCP to HK govt is, "get rid of all dissident, use any means that you think that will work." > I would think that Mr Xiping would have better things to do running a country of a billion people than decide to provoke the HK populace on a random day in September. CCP have crack down so many things these day, no? Things happen in parallel.[1][2][3][4] 1: https://thediplomat.com/2021/09/the-real-cause-of-chinas-alibaba-crackdown/ https://thediplomat.com/2021/09/the-real-cause-of-chinas-ali... 2: https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tencent-leads-806-billion-loss-as-chinas-gaming-crackdown-expands https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tenc... 3: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/china-xi-jinping-cpc-socialist-reform-deng-mao-2166641 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/china-xi-jinping-... 4: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58459318 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58459318

nness 5y ago

I'm the furthest thing from an expert, but if you think about it from a PR/publicity sense, its the best time to do it; 1. No one is paying attention due to the pandemic, 2. By 2047, there'll be no dissodence left and the transition will seem smooth, instead of a fight. The press will say the transition happened with minimal incidence, and it allows China to de-value any protests/outcry from other countries.

sudosysgen 5y ago

No one in particular. Many people agreed about a plan years ago, with various factors they set out to trigger various steps, and those determined that today was a suitable day and no one objected specifically, so it went ahead. That's the most likely scenario. Xi himself probably spent very little time on this in the recent past.

germainelol 5y ago

You assume that they care if the public are provoked.

phantomathkg 5y ago

> Who's behind this, in China? Xi and his ally within the CCP. Even within CCP there are power split and Xi needs to create a scene to concentrate the power to himself. > Is the person ordering it aware of that Surely they do, but to CCP, this is the only way to make them feel confident enough, by squashing all dissidents. > Is it Carrie Lam? Their chief of police?... Personally, I guess the order from CCP to HK govt is, "get rid of all dissident, use any means that you think that will work." > I would think that Mr Xiping would have better things to do running a country of a billion people than decide to provoke the HK populace on a random day in September. CCP have crack down so many things these day, no? Things happen in parallel.[1][2][3][4] 1: https://thediplomat.com/2021/09/the-real-cause-of-chinas-alibaba-crackdown/ https://thediplomat.com/2021/09/the-real-cause-of-chinas-ali... 2: https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tencent-leads-806-billion-loss-as-chinas-gaming-crackdown-expands https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tenc... 3: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/china-xi-jinping-cpc-socialist-reform-deng-mao-2166641 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/china-xi-jinping-... 4: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58459318 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58459318