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> If your employer paid you to come in early or stay late to get the vaccine -- why refuse? Because I make my own decisions and my willingness to do something

> If your employer paid you to come in early or stay late to get the vaccine -- why refuse? Because I make my own decisions and my willingness to do something is inversely proportional to how hard it is being pushed on me.

lalaland1125 5y ago
I would argue that if you are acting with the sole purpose to oppose other people, you aren't really making your own decisions. Blind opposition is just as silly as blindly following the flow.
- FpUser 5y ago
  >"Blind opposition is just as silly as blindly following the flow" I think opposition to being pressured regardless of the reasons is quite normal and healthy behavior because in most of the life situations people are being pressured into something that benefits somebody else.
  - dane-pgp 5y ago
    An act which benefits someone else isn't necessarily a bad thing, right?
    - FpUser 5y ago
      Especially when it is being forced down the throat. Yeah sure.
  - davrosthedalek 5y ago
    It's a good heuristic to be suspicious, bit not a reason by itself.
spuz 5y ago
> Because I make my own decisions and my willingness to do something is inversely proportional to how hard it is being pushed on me. I don't know you but I find this hard to believe. Which side of the road do you drive on? Do you wear a seatbelt? How fast do you drive? Do you throw your trash in the bin or on the ground? Do you wear clothes outside or go out naked? Do you go around threatening to harm people around you or just keep to yourself? Unless you are going to tell me otherwise, I would assume you don't actually behave according to how hard you've been pushed to follow those rules but instead behave in ways that provide you the most benefit.
- captainredbeard 5y ago
  Come on, man, of course I don't hold "must always oppose" as a steadfast rule for everything. As you point out, that would be ludicrous. It's more that if I don't see the merit of doing something, I shouldn't do it anyway just because of peer pressure. Driving on the designated side of the road is something I see merit in, so I do it. It avoids vehicles hitting each other with a massive success rate (unlike the vaccine, or any of the other totalitarian responses to the mind virus COVID-19). Likewise, I don't litter because it's a destructive habit for the planet and property. It's rude. It makes all of our lives worse. Those reasons are not rooted in "people push not littering", I avoid littering because I find it distasteful and wrong by my own measures. And on and on.
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betterunix2 5y ago
Grow up. We do not let you make your own decisions about what kind of vehicle you get to drive because we are not willing to let you put everyone around you in danger. We do not let you make your own decisions about disposing of toxic waste on your own property because we are not willing to let you put everyone around you in danger. And now we are telling you to get the vaccine or get tested weekly because we are not willing to let you put everyone else in danger.

lalaland1125 5y ago

I would argue that if you are acting with the sole purpose to oppose other people, you aren't really making your own decisions. Blind opposition is just as silly as blindly following the flow.

FpUser 5y ago
>"Blind opposition is just as silly as blindly following the flow" I think opposition to being pressured regardless of the reasons is quite normal and healthy behavior because in most of the life situations people are being pressured into something that benefits somebody else.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  An act which benefits someone else isn't necessarily a bad thing, right?
  - FpUser 5y ago
    Especially when it is being forced down the throat. Yeah sure.
- davrosthedalek 5y ago
  It's a good heuristic to be suspicious, bit not a reason by itself.

spuz 5y ago

> Because I make my own decisions and my willingness to do something is inversely proportional to how hard it is being pushed on me. I don't know you but I find this hard to believe. Which side of the road do you drive on? Do you wear a seatbelt? How fast do you drive? Do you throw your trash in the bin or on the ground? Do you wear clothes outside or go out naked? Do you go around threatening to harm people around you or just keep to yourself? Unless you are going to tell me otherwise, I would assume you don't actually behave according to how hard you've been pushed to follow those rules but instead behave in ways that provide you the most benefit.

captainredbeard 5y ago
Come on, man, of course I don't hold "must always oppose" as a steadfast rule for everything. As you point out, that would be ludicrous. It's more that if I don't see the merit of doing something, I shouldn't do it anyway just because of peer pressure. Driving on the designated side of the road is something I see merit in, so I do it. It avoids vehicles hitting each other with a massive success rate (unlike the vaccine, or any of the other totalitarian responses to the mind virus COVID-19). Likewise, I don't litter because it's a destructive habit for the planet and property. It's rude. It makes all of our lives worse. Those reasons are not rooted in "people push not littering", I avoid littering because I find it distasteful and wrong by my own measures. And on and on.
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betterunix2 5y ago

Grow up. We do not let you make your own decisions about what kind of vehicle you get to drive because we are not willing to let you put everyone around you in danger. We do not let you make your own decisions about disposing of toxic waste on your own property because we are not willing to let you put everyone around you in danger. And now we are telling you to get the vaccine or get tested weekly because we are not willing to let you put everyone else in danger.