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> Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter [...] subReddits You appear to be arguing that no-one has ever been kicked off Facebook or Twitter, and that no subreddits h

> Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter [...] subReddits You appear to be arguing that no-one has ever been kicked off Facebook or Twitter, and that no subreddits have ever been banned. Is that your position?

analognoise 5y ago
So "Silencing" is just getting kicked from Twitter and FB? Such a privileged and weak notion of silencing. China will send people to camps and the police will break down a memorial museum - that's silencing. Getting kicked from FB/Twitter because for being a twat doesn't mean your group is persecuted.
- alentist 5y ago
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  - analognoise 5y ago
    That's not "moving the goal posts". The ACTUAL complaint is that people demand an AUDIENCE - they want to be able to broadcast their views to the largest number of people possible. Nobody in the US is being "quashed" - you can run your own website, print your own newsletter, and nobody is going to kick down your door or send you to a re-education camp. Like I said, Nazis run their own websites, and the Taliban is on Twitter. Nobody here is being "silenced" because they can't grab the microphone - nobody's owed a microphone in the first place. It's not even "relative privation" - nobody has a God given right to...Facebook. People serious about their causes run their own websites - they don't immediately start whinging because they've been booted from Reddit.
    - alentist 5y ago
      > That's not "moving the goal posts". Your first comment: > Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. Your second comment: > So "Silencing" is just getting kicked from Twitter and FB?
      - analognoise 5y ago
        The first indicates that there are multiple services to "be heard" - but I've said repeatedly that the ultimate fallback is running your own website. Sorry I was responding to the notion that people took being banned from FB/Reddit/whatever as being quashed. Those people are free to print their own newsletters or run their own websites. It seems like two separate points, which is why I don't see it. Maybe I should have made it more cohesive.
        alentist 5y ago
        Of course they're being quashed. Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient." Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions, and other controlling bodies. Amazon, Apple, Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc. are multibillion-dollar corporations that control a colossal share of online communications. You approve of said quashing because it aligns with your political ideology. > Those people are free to print their own newsletters or run their own websites. And if the registrars and payment processors do the same, as has already happened? You'll move the goalposts again.

analognoise 5y ago

So "Silencing" is just getting kicked from Twitter and FB? Such a privileged and weak notion of silencing. China will send people to camps and the police will break down a memorial museum - that's silencing. Getting kicked from FB/Twitter because for being a twat doesn't mean your group is persecuted.

alentist 5y ago
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- analognoise 5y ago
  That's not "moving the goal posts". The ACTUAL complaint is that people demand an AUDIENCE - they want to be able to broadcast their views to the largest number of people possible. Nobody in the US is being "quashed" - you can run your own website, print your own newsletter, and nobody is going to kick down your door or send you to a re-education camp. Like I said, Nazis run their own websites, and the Taliban is on Twitter. Nobody here is being "silenced" because they can't grab the microphone - nobody's owed a microphone in the first place. It's not even "relative privation" - nobody has a God given right to...Facebook. People serious about their causes run their own websites - they don't immediately start whinging because they've been booted from Reddit.
  - alentist 5y ago
    > That's not "moving the goal posts". Your first comment: > Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. Your second comment: > So "Silencing" is just getting kicked from Twitter and FB?
    - analognoise 5y ago
      The first indicates that there are multiple services to "be heard" - but I've said repeatedly that the ultimate fallback is running your own website. Sorry I was responding to the notion that people took being banned from FB/Reddit/whatever as being quashed. Those people are free to print their own newsletters or run their own websites. It seems like two separate points, which is why I don't see it. Maybe I should have made it more cohesive.
      - alentist 5y ago
        Of course they're being quashed. Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient." Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions, and other controlling bodies. Amazon, Apple, Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc. are multibillion-dollar corporations that control a colossal share of online communications. You approve of said quashing because it aligns with your political ideology. > Those people are free to print their own newsletters or run their own websites. And if the registrars and payment processors do the same, as has already happened? You'll move the goalposts again.