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It's pretty egregious that there is no mention of accommodation for individuals who have already acquired effective immunity through previous infection. Other c

It's pretty egregious that there is no mention of accommodation for individuals who have already acquired effective immunity through previous infection. Other countries are well ahead of the U.S in this regard. These mandates appear to completely neglect entire aspects of scientific consensus.

devb 5y ago
- Acquired immunity fades with time - You aren't required to get the vaccine, you can undergo weekly testing instead
- bsima 5y ago
  Natural immunity is stronger than artificial immunity https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
  - notacoward 5y ago
    Already refuted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28480736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28480736 Unlike yours, the study linked last in that comment has been peer reviewed.
  - devb 5y ago
    Even if that were true, and it's not clear that it is, the side effects of infection are far, far worse than whatever side effects the vaccine might have.
- TexanFeller 5y ago
  So far vaccine immunity fades with time as well. The Pfizer Gang have experienced that already at 6mo or so, but Moderna protection has faded much more slowly.
  - devb 5y ago
    I'd rather get the vaccine multiple times than to be infected multiple times. I don't understand why this is controversial.
notacoward 5y ago
Vaccination still reduces infectivity even for those who've had COVID. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm... Vaccine antibodies bind more broadly to cover new variants, vs. antibodies from previous infection. https://www.science.org/doi/pdf/10.1126/scitranslmed.abi9915 https://www.science.org/doi/pdf/10.1126/scitranslmed.abi9915 So why is "accommodation" necessary?
spookthesunset 5y ago
Natural immunity, or any discussion of our immune system doing its job, is a right wing talking point.

devb 5y ago

- Acquired immunity fades with time - You aren't required to get the vaccine, you can undergo weekly testing instead

bsima 5y ago
Natural immunity is stronger than artificial immunity https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
- notacoward 5y ago
  Already refuted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28480736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28480736 Unlike yours, the study linked last in that comment has been peer reviewed.
- devb 5y ago
  Even if that were true, and it's not clear that it is, the side effects of infection are far, far worse than whatever side effects the vaccine might have.
TexanFeller 5y ago
So far vaccine immunity fades with time as well. The Pfizer Gang have experienced that already at 6mo or so, but Moderna protection has faded much more slowly.
- devb 5y ago
  I'd rather get the vaccine multiple times than to be infected multiple times. I don't understand why this is controversial.

notacoward 5y ago

Vaccination still reduces infectivity even for those who've had COVID. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm... Vaccine antibodies bind more broadly to cover new variants, vs. antibodies from previous infection. https://www.science.org/doi/pdf/10.1126/scitranslmed.abi9915 https://www.science.org/doi/pdf/10.1126/scitranslmed.abi9915 So why is "accommodation" necessary?

spookthesunset 5y ago

Natural immunity, or any discussion of our immune system doing its job, is a right wing talking point.