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Sadly, there won't be nearly enough who feel as you do. But I wholeheartedly applaud your statement!

loonster 5y ago
It only has to be enough in certain industries. Trucking, food production, Oil & Gas, powerplant workers, linemen, water treatment, etc. In those essential industries, a small percentage of people walking out may wreck havoc on the whole nation. Those are also the same people that I expect are more anti covid vaccine.
- inawarminister 5y ago
  I have heard that truckers in Australia and Brazil are already boycotting their respective governments due to COVID responses.
  - loonster 5y ago
    There was a trucker strike in Australia. I got the impression that it was limited to TWU (the equivalent of Teamsters) demanding more money and better working conditions. I never saw what better working conditions actually meant. I'm more concerned about 20% of the truckers being fired for not taking the vaccine. Logistics is already stretched thin and it would make it much worse.
silentmajthrw54 5y ago
Created this throwaway to say that there are at least some others who agree but are too scared of the current cultural tone to speak openly about this. I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
  Trust me, you are most definitely not alone. Most are like you - quietly going about your business, keeping a low profile.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  I'm right there with you. Had an old friend of over 25 years say to me that it was a "blunt cudgel to enforce a social instinct that is shockingly atrophied in people." Hang in there, you are not alone and we are still in the very early days of this whole operation. Also, you might be able to find a local anti-mask or anti-mandate group on Facebook, I've found having that social support network is really helpful.
  - swayvil 5y ago
    Is Facebook allowing those? The censorship (authoritarian as well as consensual) is pretty heavy on facebook, twitter, reddit. Isolating dissenters. Make them feel like lone crazies.
    - AndrewBissell 5y ago
      There is still one that is active in my local area, at least.
- longthrow1 5y ago
  I'm sorry, but I think this is time to speak up. We're losing rights month by month, slowly following in Australia's authoritarian footsteps. So many who oppose this are too afraid to say anything, and the result is the appearance of overwhelming support for such measures, mainly because those who do support are much more aggressive, louder, willing to directly attack others personally and even physically. We shouldn't resort to those tactics, but we do need to make our voices heard, support each other, reassure everyone that we're just as numerous if not more so. It's important, this is our freedom and that of our children on the line. I'd suggest following Rand Paul on twitter, and as he suggests, refusing to comply with these unscientific and unreasonable orders. (truly, any mandate that fails to take in to account naturally acquired immunity or vaccine risks to individuals as noted in cdc and fda documents is completely lacking in scientific rigor.)
  - leesalminen 5y ago
    You say it's time to speak up, but you're using a throwaway account. You could very well be a Russian mis-information agent.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  > I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree. Join the club. You really do need to start speaking out though. This shit has gone on long enough. The idea that it is impossible well intentioned, well reasoned person to object to any part of our current situation is complete rubbish. We are being gaslit and bullied and quite honestly I'm tired of it.

It only has to be enough in certain industries. Trucking, food production, Oil & Gas, powerplant workers, linemen, water treatment, etc. In those essential industries, a small percentage of people walking out may wreck havoc on the whole nation. Those are also the same people that I expect are more anti covid vaccine.

inawarminister 5y ago
I have heard that truckers in Australia and Brazil are already boycotting their respective governments due to COVID responses.
- loonster 5y ago
  There was a trucker strike in Australia. I got the impression that it was limited to TWU (the equivalent of Teamsters) demanding more money and better working conditions. I never saw what better working conditions actually meant. I'm more concerned about 20% of the truckers being fired for not taking the vaccine. Logistics is already stretched thin and it would make it much worse.

silentmajthrw54 5y ago

Created this throwaway to say that there are at least some others who agree but are too scared of the current cultural tone to speak openly about this. I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
Trust me, you are most definitely not alone. Most are like you - quietly going about your business, keeping a low profile.
AndrewBissell 5y ago
I'm right there with you. Had an old friend of over 25 years say to me that it was a "blunt cudgel to enforce a social instinct that is shockingly atrophied in people." Hang in there, you are not alone and we are still in the very early days of this whole operation. Also, you might be able to find a local anti-mask or anti-mandate group on Facebook, I've found having that social support network is really helpful.
- swayvil 5y ago
  Is Facebook allowing those? The censorship (authoritarian as well as consensual) is pretty heavy on facebook, twitter, reddit. Isolating dissenters. Make them feel like lone crazies.
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    There is still one that is active in my local area, at least.
longthrow1 5y ago
I'm sorry, but I think this is time to speak up. We're losing rights month by month, slowly following in Australia's authoritarian footsteps. So many who oppose this are too afraid to say anything, and the result is the appearance of overwhelming support for such measures, mainly because those who do support are much more aggressive, louder, willing to directly attack others personally and even physically. We shouldn't resort to those tactics, but we do need to make our voices heard, support each other, reassure everyone that we're just as numerous if not more so. It's important, this is our freedom and that of our children on the line. I'd suggest following Rand Paul on twitter, and as he suggests, refusing to comply with these unscientific and unreasonable orders. (truly, any mandate that fails to take in to account naturally acquired immunity or vaccine risks to individuals as noted in cdc and fda documents is completely lacking in scientific rigor.)
- leesalminen 5y ago
  You say it's time to speak up, but you're using a throwaway account. You could very well be a Russian mis-information agent.
spookthesunset 5y ago
> I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree. Join the club. You really do need to start speaking out though. This shit has gone on long enough. The idea that it is impossible well intentioned, well reasoned person to object to any part of our current situation is complete rubbish. We are being gaslit and bullied and quite honestly I'm tired of it.