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I would be careful making such generalizations lest you give this vocal minority of haskellers more reason to believe that non-haskellers are luddites (edit: ca

by cole-k 5y ago

I would be careful making such generalizations lest you give this vocal minority of haskellers more reason to believe that non-haskellers are luddites (edit: can you use the word "luddite" to refer to people who don't like theory? Probably not but pretend that's what it means).

sjcoles 5y ago
I've used Haskell for a few personal projects (GHC 6.8-7.0 timeframe). It is great but I stand by my statement that the community's obsession with complexity (even if it's simpler from a category or maths sense) is the issue. Haskell's community is almost *obsessed* with increasing cognitive load IMO. I want to make things not argue about the best, or most technically correct, way to make them.
- ebingdom 5y ago
  > It is great but I stand by my statement that the community's obsession with complexity (even if it's simpler from a category or maths sense) is the issue. Haskell's community is almost obsessed with increasing cognitive load IMO. Personally, I consider it more complex to have to think about what side effects every piece of code has and what order things are evaluated in. The fact that I don't have to worry about these things in Haskell is a breath of fresh air for me. Also, not having to deal with the complexity of OOP when an ordinary function will do. I think it's a misconception that Haskell is more complex than whatever popular OOP language people are using. It just looks more complex because it's less familiar (which I think is a problem with what we teach students in school).
  - LandR 5y ago
    > it just looks more complex because it's less familiar This is a problem I have at work. Everyone here thinks unfamiliar and hard / complex are synonyms. They aren't!
  - tome 5y ago
    Agreed. I use Haskell because it decreases my cognitive load.
- JadeNB 5y ago
  > I want to make things not argue about the best, or most technically correct, way to make them. Well, not all programming languages are for all people, and there are people who prefer the theoretical approach. Calling that an obsession with complexity is, I think, unfair, or at least inaccurate.
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by cole-k 5y ago

sjcoles 5y ago

I've used Haskell for a few personal projects (GHC 6.8-7.0 timeframe). It is great but I stand by my statement that the community's obsession with complexity (even if it's simpler from a category or maths sense) is the issue. Haskell's community is almost *obsessed* with increasing cognitive load IMO. I want to make things not argue about the best, or most technically correct, way to make them.

ebingdom 5y ago
> It is great but I stand by my statement that the community's obsession with complexity (even if it's simpler from a category or maths sense) is the issue. Haskell's community is almost obsessed with increasing cognitive load IMO. Personally, I consider it more complex to have to think about what side effects every piece of code has and what order things are evaluated in. The fact that I don't have to worry about these things in Haskell is a breath of fresh air for me. Also, not having to deal with the complexity of OOP when an ordinary function will do. I think it's a misconception that Haskell is more complex than whatever popular OOP language people are using. It just looks more complex because it's less familiar (which I think is a problem with what we teach students in school).
- LandR 5y ago
  > it just looks more complex because it's less familiar This is a problem I have at work. Everyone here thinks unfamiliar and hard / complex are synonyms. They aren't!
- tome 5y ago
  Agreed. I use Haskell because it decreases my cognitive load.
JadeNB 5y ago
> I want to make things not argue about the best, or most technically correct, way to make them. Well, not all programming languages are for all people, and there are people who prefer the theoretical approach. Calling that an obsession with complexity is, I think, unfair, or at least inaccurate.

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