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Like every other American you already are vaccinated for several other diseases since childhood. This country has gone down the tubes with personal freedom abs

by kmos17 5y ago

Like every other American you already are vaccinated for several other diseases since childhood. This country has gone down the tubes with personal freedom absolutism, there are some times when the government mandating a health measure makes sense, this is one.

Covzire 5y ago
Your argument boils down to "for the good of the majority will the minority be stripped of their rights", the same fucking argument was used in Nazi Germany against invalids, sick people and later Jews. This mandate is flagrantly unconstitutional, unnecessary and plain fucking evil. If the federal government isn't stopped cold here, there is absolutely no limit to their power to oppress more minority groups for any reason they dream of.
650 5y ago
>"Like every other American you already are vaccinated for several other diseases since childhood." Slippery slope in practice is this scenario. You were already injected with X and Y before you could consent or understand. What's Z more? Edit: I do not object to previously-normal vaccinations, where you are pretty much one-and-done in your youth, and don't have to continually prove them when you try to do day-to-day life. I object to the new notion that we can impose them for everything in the world. I am 110% against the notion of requiring a vaccine card to go to a bar or board a flight, and will boycott any business that asks this of me. No "Papiere, Bitte" bullshit. If I have to accept the latter if I accept the former, then I am against the former.
j_walter 5y ago
Ummm...not every other American (no where near 100%). Also those vaccines are tried and tested for decades...not pushed through FDA approval and side effects hidden from public view. I personally know 2 people that had major side effects and one of them is still not recovered (legally blind due to strokes she had 2 months ago, a day after her first vaccine shot). The other had a heart attack 2 days after his vaccine shot. Both could be just a coincidence in timing...but that's a hell of a coincidence..
- hajile 5y ago
  The numbers get REALY bad when you look at vaccinating kids. 486 kids dead from covid [0] over almost 2 years. For reference, over 24,000 kids died during that same period from various accidents. 6,488 kids committed suicide in 2019 alone [1] and those rates have supposedly gone up since, so at least 13,000 kids killed themselves during this pandemic. There have been at least 250 myocarditis/myopericarditis VAERS complaints (that's inflammation of the heart or heart sack) in kids [2]. When accounting for the much lower child vaccination rates, that's very bad. They were looking at 2.5k reports at that time, but they are now up to 5-6k myocarditis reports now (and kids are being vaccinated at an increasing rate). Normal VAERS reporting rates are estimated to be around 1% of all people with side effects[3] if for no other reason than people just don't know it exists. Despite this, there have been over 650,000 reports including 14,000 deaths, 18,000 permanently disabled, and 76,000 hospital visits [4]. If the VAERS statistics hold true as they have historically, there are more like 60,000,000 people who actually suffered side effects. [0] https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-... [1] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide [2] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-... [3] https://digital.ahrq.gov/ahrq-funded-projects/electronic-support-public-health-vaccine-adverse-event-reporting-system https://digital.ahrq.gov/ahrq-funded-projects/electronic-sup... [4] https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
- kmos17 5y ago
  You personally know two people with maybe side effects, meanwhile we know of over 600k dead Americans from the virus. We also know 99% of hospitalizations are now from unvaccinated people. The math is not in favor of your logic.
  - j_walter 5y ago
    The side effects to those two people are very real and very severe. Meanwhile they didn't get COVID because they practiced all of the things like social distancing and wearing masks. As one of the other commenter on your previous comment stated with facts...there have been 650K reports of side effects from the vaccine and many of those are extremely serious. The math is there...and if the unvaccinated people are suffering from COVID worse than vaccinated...then it's their own choice and they shall suffer the consequences.

by kmos17 5y ago

Covzire 5y ago

Your argument boils down to "for the good of the majority will the minority be stripped of their rights", the same fucking argument was used in Nazi Germany against invalids, sick people and later Jews. This mandate is flagrantly unconstitutional, unnecessary and plain fucking evil. If the federal government isn't stopped cold here, there is absolutely no limit to their power to oppress more minority groups for any reason they dream of.

650 5y ago

>"Like every other American you already are vaccinated for several other diseases since childhood." Slippery slope in practice is this scenario. You were already injected with X and Y before you could consent or understand. What's Z more? Edit: I do not object to previously-normal vaccinations, where you are pretty much one-and-done in your youth, and don't have to continually prove them when you try to do day-to-day life. I object to the new notion that we can impose them for everything in the world. I am 110% against the notion of requiring a vaccine card to go to a bar or board a flight, and will boycott any business that asks this of me. No "Papiere, Bitte" bullshit. If I have to accept the latter if I accept the former, then I am against the former.

j_walter 5y ago

Ummm...not every other American (no where near 100%). Also those vaccines are tried and tested for decades...not pushed through FDA approval and side effects hidden from public view. I personally know 2 people that had major side effects and one of them is still not recovered (legally blind due to strokes she had 2 months ago, a day after her first vaccine shot). The other had a heart attack 2 days after his vaccine shot. Both could be just a coincidence in timing...but that's a hell of a coincidence..

hajile 5y ago
The numbers get REALY bad when you look at vaccinating kids. 486 kids dead from covid [0] over almost 2 years. For reference, over 24,000 kids died during that same period from various accidents. 6,488 kids committed suicide in 2019 alone [1] and those rates have supposedly gone up since, so at least 13,000 kids killed themselves during this pandemic. There have been at least 250 myocarditis/myopericarditis VAERS complaints (that's inflammation of the heart or heart sack) in kids [2]. When accounting for the much lower child vaccination rates, that's very bad. They were looking at 2.5k reports at that time, but they are now up to 5-6k myocarditis reports now (and kids are being vaccinated at an increasing rate). Normal VAERS reporting rates are estimated to be around 1% of all people with side effects[3] if for no other reason than people just don't know it exists. Despite this, there have been over 650,000 reports including 14,000 deaths, 18,000 permanently disabled, and 76,000 hospital visits [4]. If the VAERS statistics hold true as they have historically, there are more like 60,000,000 people who actually suffered side effects. [0] https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-... [1] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide [2] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-... [3] https://digital.ahrq.gov/ahrq-funded-projects/electronic-support-public-health-vaccine-adverse-event-reporting-system https://digital.ahrq.gov/ahrq-funded-projects/electronic-sup... [4] https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
kmos17 5y ago
You personally know two people with maybe side effects, meanwhile we know of over 600k dead Americans from the virus. We also know 99% of hospitalizations are now from unvaccinated people. The math is not in favor of your logic.
- j_walter 5y ago
  The side effects to those two people are very real and very severe. Meanwhile they didn't get COVID because they practiced all of the things like social distancing and wearing masks. As one of the other commenter on your previous comment stated with facts...there have been 650K reports of side effects from the vaccine and many of those are extremely serious. The math is there...and if the unvaccinated people are suffering from COVID worse than vaccinated...then it's their own choice and they shall suffer the consequences.