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While that is true that fails to mention IMO a key difference. The civil war is not censored in the US, Tienanmen square is. Removing a statue is very differen

While that is true that fails to mention IMO a key difference. The civil war is not censored in the US, Tienanmen square is. Removing a statue is very different than shutting down all discussion around an event and locking up those that want to talk about it.

pphysch 5y ago
Expressions of white supremacism (N word, etc) & separatism (Jan 6, etc) are heavily suppressed in USA.
- sneak 5y ago
  Not the same kind of suppression, not by a long stretch. You're still legally entitled to stand on a street corner in the US and shout racial slurs, if that's your thing. You're also legally entitled to assemble and protest there. None of the undertakings that are equivalent to those actions are permitted in China, and will immediately subject you to violence.
  - pphysch 5y ago
    Of course USA does not have hate speech laws. But there is considerable extralegal hate speech regulation. Your face will be plastered all over social media and you will get "cancelled" and lose your career, and no "free speech" laws will protect you from that.
    - giantrobot 5y ago
      > and no "free speech" laws will protect you from that You have a right to speak freely without the government stopping you. You have no right to have people listen to you. In fact the same guarantee that you have for speech also enshrines free assembly. So everyone who disagrees with your bullshit is free to ignore you and convince others to ignore you. They're also free to boot you off or out of their property.
      - sneak 5y ago
        Important distinction: the government is allowed to do violence to people legally (during law enforcement). Private people generally are not. This means that if you have free speech, you can't immediately suffer legal violence for saying things. You may, of course, suffer other things, but it won't be legal violence.
    - jhgb 5y ago
      > But there is considerable extralegal hate speech regulation. Your face will be plastered all over social media and you will get "cancelled" and lose your career That's a pretty convoluted way to say "people in the US don't tolerate assholes".
- DixieDev 5y ago
  Yeah, I don't know how America can be considered a so-called "free country" when the people living there will get angry at me for using slurs and being generally discriminative. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until they create some kind of unethical legal punishment too, as they did with expressions of anger (assault, murder, etc.).
  - giantrobot 5y ago
    I hope you forgot the /s.

pphysch 5y ago

Expressions of white supremacism (N word, etc) & separatism (Jan 6, etc) are heavily suppressed in USA.

sneak 5y ago
Not the same kind of suppression, not by a long stretch. You're still legally entitled to stand on a street corner in the US and shout racial slurs, if that's your thing. You're also legally entitled to assemble and protest there. None of the undertakings that are equivalent to those actions are permitted in China, and will immediately subject you to violence.
- pphysch 5y ago
  Of course USA does not have hate speech laws. But there is considerable extralegal hate speech regulation. Your face will be plastered all over social media and you will get "cancelled" and lose your career, and no "free speech" laws will protect you from that.
  - giantrobot 5y ago
    > and no "free speech" laws will protect you from that You have a right to speak freely without the government stopping you. You have no right to have people listen to you. In fact the same guarantee that you have for speech also enshrines free assembly. So everyone who disagrees with your bullshit is free to ignore you and convince others to ignore you. They're also free to boot you off or out of their property.
    - sneak 5y ago
      Important distinction: the government is allowed to do violence to people legally (during law enforcement). Private people generally are not. This means that if you have free speech, you can't immediately suffer legal violence for saying things. You may, of course, suffer other things, but it won't be legal violence.
  - jhgb 5y ago
    > But there is considerable extralegal hate speech regulation. Your face will be plastered all over social media and you will get "cancelled" and lose your career That's a pretty convoluted way to say "people in the US don't tolerate assholes".
DixieDev 5y ago
Yeah, I don't know how America can be considered a so-called "free country" when the people living there will get angry at me for using slurs and being generally discriminative. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until they create some kind of unethical legal punishment too, as they did with expressions of anger (assault, murder, etc.).
- giantrobot 5y ago
  I hope you forgot the /s.