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I know it is a joke, but they do not deny the event. They just put it into a different context. It goes something like: 2000 lives for 20 years of stability. We

I know it is a joke, but they do not deny the event. They just put it into a different context. It goes something like: 2000 lives for 20 years of stability. Well, actually 30 years now.

imglorp 5y ago
That would be an interesting tradeoff conversation if true. But they basically do deny the event by claiming only 300 dead and then villainizing the victims of an atrocity.
- cabalamat 5y ago
  > That would be an interesting tradeoff conversation if true. While no-one can predict the future, we can have a good guess what a democratic China would be like, because one exists. It's called Taiwan. Which is richer per capita and arguably more stable than the PRC.
- baby 5y ago
  They are saying no death, where did you read 300?
  - imglorp 5y ago
    Wikipedia claims: the official PRC position at the time was 300; many other estimates are in the thousands ranging up to 10,000. Of course now they are trying to erase it altogether. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests#Official_figures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...
kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
Interesting. Never heard this before. Can you provide sources to back this up?
- Dig1t 5y ago
  Maybe not what you're asking for but here is a perfect example of the misinformation that is spread by the CCP https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/ https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massac...
  - refenestrator 5y ago
    The tagline "objective, nonpartisan and insightful" on 'World Affairs' really brings it home. The Chinese government obviously has its own propaganda, but being anti-China is objective and nonpartisan in the US. It's not taking sides, it's just the natural state of affairs, the entire media thinks so, both kinds of it.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      > both kinds of it. Country and Western.
      - mbg721 5y ago
        "Stand by your (not-too-state-disapprovedly-effeminate) man..."
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > but being anti-China is objective and nonpartisan in the US No, pretty much all American propaganda mills that are not formally associated with a political party claim to be “objective and nonpartisan” (the latter is truly universal, the former or a close synonym quite common). It doesn't matter if the viewpoint being pushed is one orthogonal to the party divide, common to the major factions of both parties, or extremely partisan in its appeal, or even outside of the mainstream of either party. The label is, itself, propaganda (though so routine and formulaic and widely recognized that it only has an impact on the most unaware.)
      - refenestrator 5y ago
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slumpt_ 5y ago
[citation needed] They actively suppress awareness of the event.

I know it is a joke, but they do not deny the event. They just put it into a different context. It goes something like: 2000 lives for 20 years of stability. Well, actually 30 years now.

imglorp 5y ago

That would be an interesting tradeoff conversation if true. But they basically do deny the event by claiming only 300 dead and then villainizing the victims of an atrocity.

cabalamat 5y ago
> That would be an interesting tradeoff conversation if true. While no-one can predict the future, we can have a good guess what a democratic China would be like, because one exists. It's called Taiwan. Which is richer per capita and arguably more stable than the PRC.
baby 5y ago
They are saying no death, where did you read 300?
- imglorp 5y ago
  Wikipedia claims: the official PRC position at the time was 300; many other estimates are in the thousands ranging up to 10,000. Of course now they are trying to erase it altogether. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests#Official_figures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

kaladin-jasnah 5y ago

Interesting. Never heard this before. Can you provide sources to back this up?

Dig1t 5y ago
Maybe not what you're asking for but here is a perfect example of the misinformation that is spread by the CCP https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/ https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massac...
- refenestrator 5y ago
  The tagline "objective, nonpartisan and insightful" on 'World Affairs' really brings it home. The Chinese government obviously has its own propaganda, but being anti-China is objective and nonpartisan in the US. It's not taking sides, it's just the natural state of affairs, the entire media thinks so, both kinds of it.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > both kinds of it. Country and Western.
    - mbg721 5y ago
      "Stand by your (not-too-state-disapprovedly-effeminate) man..."
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > but being anti-China is objective and nonpartisan in the US No, pretty much all American propaganda mills that are not formally associated with a political party claim to be “objective and nonpartisan” (the latter is truly universal, the former or a close synonym quite common). It doesn't matter if the viewpoint being pushed is one orthogonal to the party divide, common to the major factions of both parties, or extremely partisan in its appeal, or even outside of the mainstream of either party. The label is, itself, propaganda (though so routine and formulaic and widely recognized that it only has an impact on the most unaware.)
    - refenestrator 5y ago

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slumpt_ 5y ago

[citation needed] They actively suppress awareness of the event.