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I have 2 cameras in my car recording front/rear views all the time in 4k resolution while driving on public roads. I can upload them anywhere without anyone's p

by cronix 5y ago

I have 2 cameras in my car recording front/rear views all the time in 4k resolution while driving on public roads. I can upload them anywhere without anyone's permission because they were taken in public spaces. I pass x bank machines every day on public sidewalks, all recording. I pass x building a day on public streets and sidewalks, all with cameras recording 24/7. When I go in a store, there are cameras everywhere, recording. There are millions of cameras recording people in public every day, and they're not using cell phones being "obvious" and don't care about whether you like it or not, and you have 0 say except to not go out in public. How many times a day are you recorded without your "knowledge or consent?" Why are glasses the straw that breaks the camels back? You're swimming in it already. https://reolink.com/how-many-times-you-caught-on-camera-per-day/ https://reolink.com/how-many-times-you-caught-on-camera-per-... How about cameras so good they can zoom in and read your texts? > "He was actually texting about the poor quality of the game of rugby. But it did occur to me that there was an issue there - had he been texting something that was of some consequence to us, there may have been privacy issues." > He confirmed later that the level of monitoring used during the World Cup would continue for all big test matches. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6848897/Powerful-surveillance-cameras-read-texts https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6848897/Powerful-surveillan...

adriancr 5y ago
Cameras in car, sure, those record your trip, illegal in some countries, illegal to upload as well there, could still save you so people still use them Bank machines, record in front of them. Stores, sure, you know they are there. None if these are aggregated by a central party, stored forever and mined. Eyeglasses, imagine you go for a beer with your friend and he's wearing them, potentially recording everything without you knowing... is it different?, do you still talk to him?. Imagine same guy going into the office, recording there, going to meetings, is he going to be allowed to?, imagine these being uploaded to facebook to be stored forever and be pulled at any point in the future. This whole thing made me realize the value of it all for facebook to do the aggregation... they would profit immensely in the future (imagine data brokers used in westworld to build their ais, imagine the level of propaganda targetting... blackmail, etc). If they do manage to do this without pushback its going to be interesting.
- cronix 5y ago
  > None if these are aggregated by a central party, stored forever and mined. I imagine you're just against Amazon's Ring doorbells as well then? Or are they not storing the data, analyzing it, and monetizing it? > Several weeks ago it was reported that over 400 law enforcement agencies had partnered with Amazon’s Ring Camera. Ring distributes a free app called the Neighbors App that Ring owners use to store video images in the cloud. Amazon has now bonded its Neighbor’s app with police agencies to effectively turn private homeowners into snitches for the police. https://www.technocracy.news/amazon-co-opting-homeowners-ring-cameras-to-police/ https://www.technocracy.news/amazon-co-opting-homeowners-rin... It seems Amazon is monetizing it just fine, and what do "partners" do with the data once they've obtained it? Do they not store it, analyze it and do stuff with their "discoveries" as well?
  - adriancr 5y ago
    Are you intentionally ignoring what i said? ring cameras are the same as cctv in my previous comment. What do you say about people wearing them in social/professional situations, recording and uploading to facebook all your interactions. What do you do if you are faced with that? If you whatabout again please consider discussion over.

by cronix 5y ago

adriancr 5y ago

Cameras in car, sure, those record your trip, illegal in some countries, illegal to upload as well there, could still save you so people still use them Bank machines, record in front of them. Stores, sure, you know they are there. None if these are aggregated by a central party, stored forever and mined. Eyeglasses, imagine you go for a beer with your friend and he's wearing them, potentially recording everything without you knowing... is it different?, do you still talk to him?. Imagine same guy going into the office, recording there, going to meetings, is he going to be allowed to?, imagine these being uploaded to facebook to be stored forever and be pulled at any point in the future. This whole thing made me realize the value of it all for facebook to do the aggregation... they would profit immensely in the future (imagine data brokers used in westworld to build their ais, imagine the level of propaganda targetting... blackmail, etc). If they do manage to do this without pushback its going to be interesting.

cronix 5y ago
> None if these are aggregated by a central party, stored forever and mined. I imagine you're just against Amazon's Ring doorbells as well then? Or are they not storing the data, analyzing it, and monetizing it? > Several weeks ago it was reported that over 400 law enforcement agencies had partnered with Amazon’s Ring Camera. Ring distributes a free app called the Neighbors App that Ring owners use to store video images in the cloud. Amazon has now bonded its Neighbor’s app with police agencies to effectively turn private homeowners into snitches for the police. https://www.technocracy.news/amazon-co-opting-homeowners-ring-cameras-to-police/ https://www.technocracy.news/amazon-co-opting-homeowners-rin... It seems Amazon is monetizing it just fine, and what do "partners" do with the data once they've obtained it? Do they not store it, analyze it and do stuff with their "discoveries" as well?
- adriancr 5y ago
  Are you intentionally ignoring what i said? ring cameras are the same as cctv in my previous comment. What do you say about people wearing them in social/professional situations, recording and uploading to facebook all your interactions. What do you do if you are faced with that? If you whatabout again please consider discussion over.