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I support this, but I expect it to be challenged and I'm not sure whether it would survive. Would welcome the opinion of someone with some background on these k

I support this, but I expect it to be challenged and I'm not sure whether it would survive. Would welcome the opinion of someone with some background on these kinds of rules.

a2g4rAVy 5y ago
I would support it if congress passed it. An executive order?! I hope the courts tear it apart.
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hajile 5y ago
Let's take Biden's facts at face value. CDC says the current running average is 12,156 covid hospitalizations per week [0]. 175M vaccinated according to Biden 1 in 160,000 hospitalized per day according to biden Total US population is 328.2M, so 153.2M are unvaccinated. CDC says 1736.57 hospitalizations per day at present. 175e6 / 160e3 = 1094 vaccinated hospitalized per day That leaves 643 unvaccinated people hospitalized per day 153.2e6 / 643 = 1 unvaccinated per 238k hospitalized per day If the President and CDC are not lying, then unvaccinated people are NOT the problem. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidvi...
- enchiridion 5y ago
  Why would you assume the hospitalization rate is the same among the two populations?
- ivraatiems 5y ago
  You're misunderstanding the 160,000 number. It's not 1 in 160,000 were newly hospitalized per day. It's 1 in 160,000 were hospitalized at all. So it's actually 1094 hospitalized at all on an average day, whereas 643 new hospitalizations are occurring per day among the unvaccinated. I'm guessing you took Biden's numbers from here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine-mandates-transcript.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine... and I agree that in the context he provides your use of the number that way seems reasonable - as is often the case, Biden didn't communicate well. However, if the number means what you mean we'd have many many more hospitalized people than we currently do, and articles like this one https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-non... would be full of completely made up, easily proven false data. Neither is the case.

I support this, but I expect it to be challenged and I'm not sure whether it would survive. Would welcome the opinion of someone with some background on these kinds of rules.

a2g4rAVy 5y ago

I would support it if congress passed it. An executive order?! I hope the courts tear it apart.

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hajile 5y ago

Let's take Biden's facts at face value. CDC says the current running average is 12,156 covid hospitalizations per week [0]. 175M vaccinated according to Biden 1 in 160,000 hospitalized per day according to biden Total US population is 328.2M, so 153.2M are unvaccinated. CDC says 1736.57 hospitalizations per day at present. 175e6 / 160e3 = 1094 vaccinated hospitalized per day That leaves 643 unvaccinated people hospitalized per day 153.2e6 / 643 = 1 unvaccinated per 238k hospitalized per day If the President and CDC are not lying, then unvaccinated people are NOT the problem. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidvi...

enchiridion 5y ago
Why would you assume the hospitalization rate is the same among the two populations?
ivraatiems 5y ago
You're misunderstanding the 160,000 number. It's not 1 in 160,000 were newly hospitalized per day. It's 1 in 160,000 were hospitalized at all. So it's actually 1094 hospitalized at all on an average day, whereas 643 new hospitalizations are occurring per day among the unvaccinated. I'm guessing you took Biden's numbers from here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine-mandates-transcript.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine... and I agree that in the context he provides your use of the number that way seems reasonable - as is often the case, Biden didn't communicate well. However, if the number means what you mean we'd have many many more hospitalized people than we currently do, and articles like this one https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-non... would be full of completely made up, easily proven false data. Neither is the case.