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Biden plans Covid vaccine mandate for 80M private sector employees

28 points by KoftaBob 5y ago

ivraatiems 5y ago
I support this, but I expect it to be challenged and I'm not sure whether it would survive. Would welcome the opinion of someone with some background on these kinds of rules.
- a2g4rAVy 5y ago
  I would support it if congress passed it. An executive order?! I hope the courts tear it apart.
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- hajile 5y ago
  Let's take Biden's facts at face value. CDC says the current running average is 12,156 covid hospitalizations per week [0]. 175M vaccinated according to Biden 1 in 160,000 hospitalized per day according to biden Total US population is 328.2M, so 153.2M are unvaccinated. CDC says 1736.57 hospitalizations per day at present. 175e6 / 160e3 = 1094 vaccinated hospitalized per day That leaves 643 unvaccinated people hospitalized per day 153.2e6 / 643 = 1 unvaccinated per 238k hospitalized per day If the President and CDC are not lying, then unvaccinated people are NOT the problem. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidvi...
  - enchiridion 5y ago
    Why would you assume the hospitalization rate is the same among the two populations?
  - ivraatiems 5y ago
    You're misunderstanding the 160,000 number. It's not 1 in 160,000 were newly hospitalized per day. It's 1 in 160,000 were hospitalized at all. So it's actually 1094 hospitalized at all on an average day, whereas 643 new hospitalizations are occurring per day among the unvaccinated. I'm guessing you took Biden's numbers from here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine-mandates-transcript.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine... and I agree that in the context he provides your use of the number that way seems reasonable - as is often the case, Biden didn't communicate well. However, if the number means what you mean we'd have many many more hospitalized people than we currently do, and articles like this one https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-non... would be full of completely made up, easily proven false data. Neither is the case.
Factorium 5y ago
Why vaccinate people who already have much more robust immunity from prior exposure? Will endless booster shots also be mandatory, given that antibody titers decline by about 40% monthly?
egberts1 5y ago
I would like to see a newly tracking statistics of how many vaccinated got “COVID-19” and still got hospitalized. That should settle the debate and division.
TechBro8615 5y ago
This mandate is forcing corporations to take a political stand one way or the other. We’re about to find out which team a whole bunch of CEOs root for. If I were Biden, and my goal was “uniting the country,” I’m not sure this is the approach I would take.
- BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
  You can drop the pretense of “uniting the country” once you have the power.
a0-prw 5y ago
Foreign policy comes home
mrkramer 5y ago
I wouldn't force anyone to do anything except pay his or her tax and especially not force someone to inject or ingest something inside his or her body against his or her will. Remember what Abraham Lincoln said: "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." "Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves."

28 points by KoftaBob 5y ago

I support this, but I expect it to be challenged and I'm not sure whether it would survive. Would welcome the opinion of someone with some background on these kinds of rules.

a2g4rAVy 5y ago
I would support it if congress passed it. An executive order?! I hope the courts tear it apart.
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hajile 5y ago
Let's take Biden's facts at face value. CDC says the current running average is 12,156 covid hospitalizations per week [0]. 175M vaccinated according to Biden 1 in 160,000 hospitalized per day according to biden Total US population is 328.2M, so 153.2M are unvaccinated. CDC says 1736.57 hospitalizations per day at present. 175e6 / 160e3 = 1094 vaccinated hospitalized per day That leaves 643 unvaccinated people hospitalized per day 153.2e6 / 643 = 1 unvaccinated per 238k hospitalized per day If the President and CDC are not lying, then unvaccinated people are NOT the problem. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidvi...
- enchiridion 5y ago
  Why would you assume the hospitalization rate is the same among the two populations?
- ivraatiems 5y ago
  You're misunderstanding the 160,000 number. It's not 1 in 160,000 were newly hospitalized per day. It's 1 in 160,000 were hospitalized at all. So it's actually 1094 hospitalized at all on an average day, whereas 643 new hospitalizations are occurring per day among the unvaccinated. I'm guessing you took Biden's numbers from here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine-mandates-transcript.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/biden-vaccine... and I agree that in the context he provides your use of the number that way seems reasonable - as is often the case, Biden didn't communicate well. However, if the number means what you mean we'd have many many more hospitalized people than we currently do, and articles like this one https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-non... would be full of completely made up, easily proven false data. Neither is the case.

Factorium 5y ago

Why vaccinate people who already have much more robust immunity from prior exposure? Will endless booster shots also be mandatory, given that antibody titers decline by about 40% monthly?

egberts1 5y ago

I would like to see a newly tracking statistics of how many vaccinated got “COVID-19” and still got hospitalized. That should settle the debate and division.

TechBro8615 5y ago

This mandate is forcing corporations to take a political stand one way or the other. We’re about to find out which team a whole bunch of CEOs root for. If I were Biden, and my goal was “uniting the country,” I’m not sure this is the approach I would take.

BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
You can drop the pretense of “uniting the country” once you have the power.

a0-prw 5y ago

Foreign policy comes home

mrkramer 5y ago

I wouldn't force anyone to do anything except pay his or her tax and especially not force someone to inject or ingest something inside his or her body against his or her will. Remember what Abraham Lincoln said: "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." "Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves."