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> but vaccine hesitancy — particularly among white Republicans This sort of quip really makes me distrust NPR. White people are more vaccinated than blacks or

> but vaccine hesitancy — particularly among white Republicans This sort of quip really makes me distrust NPR. White people are more vaccinated than blacks or Latinos, but the journalist couldn't help but try to throw in a dunk on their favorite bogeyman. https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/percent-of-total-population-that-has-received-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-race-ethnicity/ https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/percent-of-total-p...

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benbayard 5y ago
As a percent, you may be correct (your chart does not show a breakdown by party). In sheer volume, you're definitely incorrect, however.
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mfringel 5y ago
You cited a page that doesn't split it out by White Republicans or White Democrats, which is a distinction that you quoted in your comment. Wear protection when grinding axes.
AndrewBissell 5y ago
When Joe Rogan said he had taken ivermectin as part of his Covid treatment, NPR put out a tweet saying he took "a deworming drug for cows that the FDA warns people should not ingest." It's a dishonest propaganda outfit funded by money from billionaire foundations.
Darmody 5y ago
The agenda won't push itself.
twa999 5y ago
you're not supposed to say that. you're also not supposed to report why that is.
strict9 5y ago
"As you may know, an FDA-authorized vaccine for COVID-19 is now available for free to all adults in the U.S. Do you think you will...?" # Definitely not get the vaccine | white: 65%, hispanic: 13%, black: 13% # Wait and see | white: 50%, hispanic: 27%, black: 14% # Unvaccinated adults | white: 57%, hispanic: 20%, black: 13% "Partisanship also plays a major role with more than half (58%) of the “definitely not” group identifying as Republican or Republican-leaning. In addition, religious identity also plays a role as White Evangelical Christians make up nearly twice the share of the “definitely not” group (32%) as the “wait and see” group." https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-dashboard/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid...
- whymauri 5y ago
  Some more relevant data here: https://archive.is/RrzbZ https://archive.is/RrzbZ >Polling data from the Kaiser Family Foundation released [0] Wednesday morning (week of August 4th) makes obvious the disparity in the importance of each group. It estimates that Black Americans make up about 13 percent of the unvaccinated population and 13 percent of the group that says it will never receive a dose of the vaccine. Republicans, by contrast, make up more than half of each group, including nearly 6 in 10 of those who say they won’t get a vaccine. [https://archive.is/NL5qA https://archive.is/NL5qA]
  - kodah 5y ago
    What is the usefulness of including race data in polls like this? I'm French and I have little if nothing in common with other "white" people.
    - whymauri 5y ago
      Developing targeted campaigns to encourage vaccination. There is hesitancy in the US black population, especially in the South, to trust health government-based health institutions. There's also less access to healthcare resources. See: Tuskegee Syphilis Study as a case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study For Latinos, there's a language gap that needs to be overcome for large projects like this (other notable example is census hesitancy due to risk of deportation for family and friends). Anything that can get you or your household on a government record garners suspicion from the recently immigrated and those housing undocumented people (even if the current government says it's OK, who's the say the next one won't raid your home?). The television pundits definitely don't help. In my city, Cambridge, there was a huge vaccination push for the black population. It included priority access, more accessible clinics + hours, door-to-door advocacy/pamphlets, and getting support from local black institutions and community centers. Our rates for black residents shot up after that. The deeper you read into the historical of medical abuse and misinformation towards minorities and the poor in the US, the faster you realize why targeting and messaging matters.
standardUser 5y ago
The difference in vaccination rates among Democrats and Republicans is much, much larger than any racial gap. Numerically, they are calling out the largest group, which seems reasonable. What strikes me as unnecessary is adding "white". Removing that word doesn't change the factual implications of the statement.
enragedcacti 5y ago
Out of interest I went to their source. It is a Tennessee study of unvaccinated individuals and The primary distinction between conservative white and black/hispanic people is that the former are primarily in the "unwilling" category while the latter are in the "willing but not yet ready/waiting for an appointment". I will say that the study is way too small and not rigorous enough to use as a source for that information. Interestingly KFF's numbers and polling tell very different stories, so I wonder if kff has bad/outdated/unrepresentative data or if pretty much every demographic has a subset that is lying about their vaccination status: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-poll-shows-demographic-breakdown-vaccinated-u-s-n1277514 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-pol... In that poll, white people are lower than both black and hispanic people, and the biggest predictors for low vaccination are rural, republican, and trump support. It's possible that those groups are more likely to tell the truth about vaccine hesitancy?
karaterobot 5y ago
It's possible that the intersection of white people and Republicans is the least likely group to get vaccinated, according to some survey. Even if that were true, it's still a cheap shot from NPR, since the group you'd want to reference in that context would be whoever the largest anti-vax group is, not the ones who are least likely to change their minds. And in any case, the link they cite as support doesn't actually support the statement: it's about rural whites not getting vaccinated, and mentions Republicans (and Evangelicals) only speculatively and in passing. It might be that NPR sees all these groups as equivalent, and uses one as a shorthand for the other without the need for explanation or comment, which of course they are not.
tzs 5y ago
Black people are 13% of the US population. If every adult black person in the US were unvaccinated it would still be less than the number of white Republicans who have not been vaccinated.

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benbayard 5y ago

As a percent, you may be correct (your chart does not show a breakdown by party). In sheer volume, you're definitely incorrect, however.

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mfringel 5y ago

You cited a page that doesn't split it out by White Republicans or White Democrats, which is a distinction that you quoted in your comment. Wear protection when grinding axes.

AndrewBissell 5y ago

When Joe Rogan said he had taken ivermectin as part of his Covid treatment, NPR put out a tweet saying he took "a deworming drug for cows that the FDA warns people should not ingest." It's a dishonest propaganda outfit funded by money from billionaire foundations.

Darmody 5y ago

The agenda won't push itself.

twa999 5y ago

you're not supposed to say that. you're also not supposed to report why that is.

strict9 5y ago

"As you may know, an FDA-authorized vaccine for COVID-19 is now available for free to all adults in the U.S. Do you think you will...?" # Definitely not get the vaccine | white: 65%, hispanic: 13%, black: 13% # Wait and see | white: 50%, hispanic: 27%, black: 14% # Unvaccinated adults | white: 57%, hispanic: 20%, black: 13% "Partisanship also plays a major role with more than half (58%) of the “definitely not” group identifying as Republican or Republican-leaning. In addition, religious identity also plays a role as White Evangelical Christians make up nearly twice the share of the “definitely not” group (32%) as the “wait and see” group." https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-dashboard/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid...

whymauri 5y ago
Some more relevant data here: https://archive.is/RrzbZ https://archive.is/RrzbZ >Polling data from the Kaiser Family Foundation released [0] Wednesday morning (week of August 4th) makes obvious the disparity in the importance of each group. It estimates that Black Americans make up about 13 percent of the unvaccinated population and 13 percent of the group that says it will never receive a dose of the vaccine. Republicans, by contrast, make up more than half of each group, including nearly 6 in 10 of those who say they won’t get a vaccine. [https://archive.is/NL5qA https://archive.is/NL5qA]
- kodah 5y ago
  What is the usefulness of including race data in polls like this? I'm French and I have little if nothing in common with other "white" people.
  - whymauri 5y ago
    Developing targeted campaigns to encourage vaccination. There is hesitancy in the US black population, especially in the South, to trust health government-based health institutions. There's also less access to healthcare resources. See: Tuskegee Syphilis Study as a case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study For Latinos, there's a language gap that needs to be overcome for large projects like this (other notable example is census hesitancy due to risk of deportation for family and friends). Anything that can get you or your household on a government record garners suspicion from the recently immigrated and those housing undocumented people (even if the current government says it's OK, who's the say the next one won't raid your home?). The television pundits definitely don't help. In my city, Cambridge, there was a huge vaccination push for the black population. It included priority access, more accessible clinics + hours, door-to-door advocacy/pamphlets, and getting support from local black institutions and community centers. Our rates for black residents shot up after that. The deeper you read into the historical of medical abuse and misinformation towards minorities and the poor in the US, the faster you realize why targeting and messaging matters.

standardUser 5y ago

The difference in vaccination rates among Democrats and Republicans is much, much larger than any racial gap. Numerically, they are calling out the largest group, which seems reasonable. What strikes me as unnecessary is adding "white". Removing that word doesn't change the factual implications of the statement.

enragedcacti 5y ago

Out of interest I went to their source. It is a Tennessee study of unvaccinated individuals and The primary distinction between conservative white and black/hispanic people is that the former are primarily in the "unwilling" category while the latter are in the "willing but not yet ready/waiting for an appointment". I will say that the study is way too small and not rigorous enough to use as a source for that information. Interestingly KFF's numbers and polling tell very different stories, so I wonder if kff has bad/outdated/unrepresentative data or if pretty much every demographic has a subset that is lying about their vaccination status: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-poll-shows-demographic-breakdown-vaccinated-u-s-n1277514 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-pol... In that poll, white people are lower than both black and hispanic people, and the biggest predictors for low vaccination are rural, republican, and trump support. It's possible that those groups are more likely to tell the truth about vaccine hesitancy?

karaterobot 5y ago

It's possible that the intersection of white people and Republicans is the least likely group to get vaccinated, according to some survey. Even if that were true, it's still a cheap shot from NPR, since the group you'd want to reference in that context would be whoever the largest anti-vax group is, not the ones who are least likely to change their minds. And in any case, the link they cite as support doesn't actually support the statement: it's about rural whites not getting vaccinated, and mentions Republicans (and Evangelicals) only speculatively and in passing. It might be that NPR sees all these groups as equivalent, and uses one as a shorthand for the other without the need for explanation or comment, which of course they are not.

tzs 5y ago

Black people are 13% of the US population. If every adult black person in the US were unvaccinated it would still be less than the number of white Republicans who have not been vaccinated.