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The problem is in public, would you be ok with other people recording video and audio constantly and uploading to facebook? Would you be ok with all your life

The problem is in public, would you be ok with other people recording video and audio constantly and uploading to facebook? Would you be ok with all your life being out in the public? (either sold by facebook, hacked account or mandated by someone) How about used for law enforcement... auto fines when you go over the speed limit, police sent to your house when weed detected, etc

reidjs 5y ago
If you’re in public in many places there’s a good chance you are already being recorded. This seems like a natural progression of that. Not that I like the direction this is taking us, but it seems inevitable
- adriancr 5y ago
  The UK and china have this issue with CCTVs everywhere. Only places I've seen cameras are in stores. Otherwise its easy to see if someone pulls up their phone.
cronix 5y ago
How is any of what you said not really going on now? People routinely take pictures with other people in the background and upload it to facebook without permission, and if facebook's facial recognition recognizes them it asks if you want to tag them and gives their name, or gives you the option to manually tag them which then informs facebook as to who the person really is. If they aren't on facebook/no account, it builds a shadow profile for that person and connects them with other people who have uploaded pictures of them in the past. If that person is in your contacts and you've uploaded your contacts, facebook now also knows who they are and their number, that they can cross reference, and they didn't sign up for facebook. That data is all sold by facebook. And the police have shown up at peoples houses due to what others have posted on facebook. When do we get to the dystopia part you're alluding to? We've been here for awhile. You're just acclimated now and don't see it.
- adriancr 5y ago
  You notice people recording by them holding their phone towards you. You can go to them and ask them to stop or get out of the way. A pair of eyeglasses that you might not even notice is a different thing. As for uploads on facebook, it was never that pervasive and right now not many people even upload to facebook anymore... Its all reshared memes and ads
  - cronix 5y ago
    I have 2 cameras in my car recording front/rear views all the time in 4k resolution while driving on public roads. I can upload them anywhere without anyone's permission because they were taken in public spaces. I pass x bank machines every day on public sidewalks, all recording. I pass x building a day on public streets and sidewalks, all with cameras recording 24/7. When I go in a store, there are cameras everywhere, recording. There are millions of cameras recording people in public every day, and they're not using cell phones being "obvious" and don't care about whether you like it or not, and you have 0 say except to not go out in public. How many times a day are you recorded without your "knowledge or consent?" Why are glasses the straw that breaks the camels back? You're swimming in it already. https://reolink.com/how-many-times-you-caught-on-camera-per-day/ https://reolink.com/how-many-times-you-caught-on-camera-per-... How about cameras so good they can zoom in and read your texts? > "He was actually texting about the poor quality of the game of rugby. But it did occur to me that there was an issue there - had he been texting something that was of some consequence to us, there may have been privacy issues." > He confirmed later that the level of monitoring used during the World Cup would continue for all big test matches. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6848897/Powerful-surveillance-cameras-read-texts https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6848897/Powerful-surveillan...
    - adriancr 5y ago
      Cameras in car, sure, those record your trip, illegal in some countries, illegal to upload as well there, could still save you so people still use them Bank machines, record in front of them. Stores, sure, you know they are there. None if these are aggregated by a central party, stored forever and mined. Eyeglasses, imagine you go for a beer with your friend and he's wearing them, potentially recording everything without you knowing... is it different?, do you still talk to him?. Imagine same guy going into the office, recording there, going to meetings, is he going to be allowed to?, imagine these being uploaded to facebook to be stored forever and be pulled at any point in the future. This whole thing made me realize the value of it all for facebook to do the aggregation... they would profit immensely in the future (imagine data brokers used in westworld to build their ais, imagine the level of propaganda targetting... blackmail, etc). If they do manage to do this without pushback its going to be interesting.

reidjs 5y ago

If you’re in public in many places there’s a good chance you are already being recorded. This seems like a natural progression of that. Not that I like the direction this is taking us, but it seems inevitable

adriancr 5y ago
The UK and china have this issue with CCTVs everywhere. Only places I've seen cameras are in stores. Otherwise its easy to see if someone pulls up their phone.

cronix 5y ago

How is any of what you said not really going on now? People routinely take pictures with other people in the background and upload it to facebook without permission, and if facebook's facial recognition recognizes them it asks if you want to tag them and gives their name, or gives you the option to manually tag them which then informs facebook as to who the person really is. If they aren't on facebook/no account, it builds a shadow profile for that person and connects them with other people who have uploaded pictures of them in the past. If that person is in your contacts and you've uploaded your contacts, facebook now also knows who they are and their number, that they can cross reference, and they didn't sign up for facebook. That data is all sold by facebook. And the police have shown up at peoples houses due to what others have posted on facebook. When do we get to the dystopia part you're alluding to? We've been here for awhile. You're just acclimated now and don't see it.

adriancr 5y ago
You notice people recording by them holding their phone towards you. You can go to them and ask them to stop or get out of the way. A pair of eyeglasses that you might not even notice is a different thing. As for uploads on facebook, it was never that pervasive and right now not many people even upload to facebook anymore... Its all reshared memes and ads
- cronix 5y ago
  I have 2 cameras in my car recording front/rear views all the time in 4k resolution while driving on public roads. I can upload them anywhere without anyone's permission because they were taken in public spaces. I pass x bank machines every day on public sidewalks, all recording. I pass x building a day on public streets and sidewalks, all with cameras recording 24/7. When I go in a store, there are cameras everywhere, recording. There are millions of cameras recording people in public every day, and they're not using cell phones being "obvious" and don't care about whether you like it or not, and you have 0 say except to not go out in public. How many times a day are you recorded without your "knowledge or consent?" Why are glasses the straw that breaks the camels back? You're swimming in it already. https://reolink.com/how-many-times-you-caught-on-camera-per-day/ https://reolink.com/how-many-times-you-caught-on-camera-per-... How about cameras so good they can zoom in and read your texts? > "He was actually texting about the poor quality of the game of rugby. But it did occur to me that there was an issue there - had he been texting something that was of some consequence to us, there may have been privacy issues." > He confirmed later that the level of monitoring used during the World Cup would continue for all big test matches. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6848897/Powerful-surveillance-cameras-read-texts https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6848897/Powerful-surveillan...
  - adriancr 5y ago
    Cameras in car, sure, those record your trip, illegal in some countries, illegal to upload as well there, could still save you so people still use them Bank machines, record in front of them. Stores, sure, you know they are there. None if these are aggregated by a central party, stored forever and mined. Eyeglasses, imagine you go for a beer with your friend and he's wearing them, potentially recording everything without you knowing... is it different?, do you still talk to him?. Imagine same guy going into the office, recording there, going to meetings, is he going to be allowed to?, imagine these being uploaded to facebook to be stored forever and be pulled at any point in the future. This whole thing made me realize the value of it all for facebook to do the aggregation... they would profit immensely in the future (imagine data brokers used in westworld to build their ais, imagine the level of propaganda targetting... blackmail, etc). If they do manage to do this without pushback its going to be interesting.