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Men Fall Behind in College Enrollment. Women Still Play Catch-Up at Work

22 points by renerthr 5y ago

logicalmonster 5y ago
Women have made many powerful strides in becoming part of the workforce and finally achieving educational equity, but we still have a long way to go as a society. We need to ensure that remaining barriers are removed to ensure that more women can pursue their dreams in many more professions: everywhere from programmers to boilermakers, loggers, miners, deep sea fishers, roofers, and more professions where equality has not been achieved. Only this positive effort for total equality will go a long way towards reducing the male-female wage-gap.
- micouay 5y ago
  very thought provoking
- theandrewbailey 5y ago
  More women have to be mechanics, welders, carpenters, bricklayers, sanitary engineers, and ditch diggers if equity is to ever happen.
- joemazerino 5y ago
  Are we reading and commenting on the same article...?
Proven 5y ago
Why should they play catch up? Relatively speaking they don't want to work as much and differently value work-related activities. There's no need or reason average pay should be equal between sexes. Asking for that is as silly as asking for two women to be paid the same. Why should they be paid the same? Whenever they perform some activity, one will outperform the other. Maybe the outperforming woman will be different across different activities. Common sense, except on HN. Let the downvoting begin!
ipaddr 5y ago
I don't see a movement to boost male enrollment in college. Does this show a shift in the importance of college as a gatekeeper into professions even if unrelated?
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  Some schools have tried adding more sports teams, assuming that it will attract more male students. Because student loan money can be used to pay for non-academic fees, these new sports programs are usually financed by increasing the mandatory athletics fees all students have to pay. The net result is that everyone ends up graduating with more debt. A few smaller schools have taken it a step further to having pretty much open membership sports teams (intercollegiate not just intermural). They play off the egos and hopes of those who couldn't get on a team at higher division schools that offer scholarships for athletes. If you dream of playing college football but no one recruited you, there are Division III schools you can go to and get on the team as long as your tuition check clears. And if football isn't your thing, there's a dozen or so other sports you can play. As long as you pay tuition, the quality of your play doesn't matter.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    This strikes me as a negative tone but... if your dream is to play college football, why is it a bad thing to play college football at a division 3 school? Division 3 doesn't necessarily mean bad either. There are olympic medalists from division 3 schools. And some of the schools are very strong, including MIT, U Chicago, and Johns Hopkins
- MyHypatia 5y ago
  Many colleges use affirmative action for men to boost male enrollment to achieve more gender-balance. The article says: "Some selective colleges discriminate against women in admissions to maintain a gender balance, as The Journal reported. Generally, admissions officials prefer to limit the disparity to 55 percent female and 45 percent male."
thoughtstheseus 5y ago
This article fails to persuade readers that women play catch-up at work. It provides nothing to support that viewpoint. Young cohorts of workers simply do not face a “gender gap”.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  > Young cohorts of workers simply do not face a “gender gap”. You also provide nothing to support your viewpoint. If you're going to criticize the article for lack of data, that's fair. But be better than them. Can/will you provide data for your claim?
  - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
    Nope. Maybe if I publish something in a major newspaper I would but not here and now. Good point though. Don’t believe me either.
- octokatt 5y ago
  For the sake of making a meaningful discussion, sources for the U.S. gender gap (as that’s the focus of the article) from the US Census [0], Pew Research [1], and a Harvard study showing why a gender gap between identical MBTA union workers existed [2]. [0] https://www2.census.gov/ces/wp/2017/CES-WP-17-68.pdf https://www2.census.gov/ces/wp/2017/CES-WP-17-68.pdf [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/25/gender-pay-gap-facts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/25/gender-pay-... [2] https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/bolotnyy/files/be_gendergap.pdf https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/bolotnyy/files/be_genderga...
theknocker 5y ago
If you want men to start enrolling in college again, try teaching real information instead of the intelligentsia's secular folk religion. The bullshit title of this article is a good example of the same phenomena in media.
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LionBlack8 5y ago
The hard part about college admissions is the fact that most young people don’t know what they want to do until after high school cause they are still exploring their options. Even more, for people who are passionate about lots of different things, it can feel very tough to opt for a single path and stick to it so that you become “awesome” at it.
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22 points by renerthr 5y ago

Women have made many powerful strides in becoming part of the workforce and finally achieving educational equity, but we still have a long way to go as a society. We need to ensure that remaining barriers are removed to ensure that more women can pursue their dreams in many more professions: everywhere from programmers to boilermakers, loggers, miners, deep sea fishers, roofers, and more professions where equality has not been achieved. Only this positive effort for total equality will go a long way towards reducing the male-female wage-gap.

micouay 5y ago
very thought provoking
theandrewbailey 5y ago
More women have to be mechanics, welders, carpenters, bricklayers, sanitary engineers, and ditch diggers if equity is to ever happen.
joemazerino 5y ago
Are we reading and commenting on the same article...?

Proven 5y ago

Why should they play catch up? Relatively speaking they don't want to work as much and differently value work-related activities. There's no need or reason average pay should be equal between sexes. Asking for that is as silly as asking for two women to be paid the same. Why should they be paid the same? Whenever they perform some activity, one will outperform the other. Maybe the outperforming woman will be different across different activities. Common sense, except on HN. Let the downvoting begin!

ipaddr 5y ago

I don't see a movement to boost male enrollment in college. Does this show a shift in the importance of college as a gatekeeper into professions even if unrelated?

Mountain_Skies 5y ago
Some schools have tried adding more sports teams, assuming that it will attract more male students. Because student loan money can be used to pay for non-academic fees, these new sports programs are usually financed by increasing the mandatory athletics fees all students have to pay. The net result is that everyone ends up graduating with more debt. A few smaller schools have taken it a step further to having pretty much open membership sports teams (intercollegiate not just intermural). They play off the egos and hopes of those who couldn't get on a team at higher division schools that offer scholarships for athletes. If you dream of playing college football but no one recruited you, there are Division III schools you can go to and get on the team as long as your tuition check clears. And if football isn't your thing, there's a dozen or so other sports you can play. As long as you pay tuition, the quality of your play doesn't matter.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  This strikes me as a negative tone but... if your dream is to play college football, why is it a bad thing to play college football at a division 3 school? Division 3 doesn't necessarily mean bad either. There are olympic medalists from division 3 schools. And some of the schools are very strong, including MIT, U Chicago, and Johns Hopkins
MyHypatia 5y ago
Many colleges use affirmative action for men to boost male enrollment to achieve more gender-balance. The article says: "Some selective colleges discriminate against women in admissions to maintain a gender balance, as The Journal reported. Generally, admissions officials prefer to limit the disparity to 55 percent female and 45 percent male."

thoughtstheseus 5y ago

This article fails to persuade readers that women play catch-up at work. It provides nothing to support that viewpoint. Young cohorts of workers simply do not face a “gender gap”.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
> Young cohorts of workers simply do not face a “gender gap”. You also provide nothing to support your viewpoint. If you're going to criticize the article for lack of data, that's fair. But be better than them. Can/will you provide data for your claim?
- thoughtstheseus 5y ago
  Nope. Maybe if I publish something in a major newspaper I would but not here and now. Good point though. Don’t believe me either.
octokatt 5y ago
For the sake of making a meaningful discussion, sources for the U.S. gender gap (as that’s the focus of the article) from the US Census [0], Pew Research [1], and a Harvard study showing why a gender gap between identical MBTA union workers existed [2]. [0] https://www2.census.gov/ces/wp/2017/CES-WP-17-68.pdf https://www2.census.gov/ces/wp/2017/CES-WP-17-68.pdf [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/25/gender-pay-gap-facts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/25/gender-pay-... [2] https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/bolotnyy/files/be_gendergap.pdf https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/bolotnyy/files/be_genderga...

theknocker 5y ago

If you want men to start enrolling in college again, try teaching real information instead of the intelligentsia's secular folk religion. The bullshit title of this article is a good example of the same phenomena in media.

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KaelyNote 5y ago

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KaelyNote 5y ago

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LionBlack8 5y ago

The hard part about college admissions is the fact that most young people don’t know what they want to do until after high school cause they are still exploring their options. Even more, for people who are passionate about lots of different things, it can feel very tough to opt for a single path and stick to it so that you become “awesome” at it.

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