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This is intellectually lazy. You assume everything good is done in bad faith by people you've labelled "bad" and then judged them to be bad based on acts you'v

by q1w2 5y ago

This is intellectually lazy. You assume everything good is done in bad faith by people you've labelled "bad" and then judged them to be bad based on acts you've assumed were done in bad faith. ...it's the epitome of bias.

bogwog 5y ago
I believe people can always redeem themselves, but corporations need to be held to higher standards since they're 90% of what determines the quality of life in this country. > You assume everything good is done in bad faith by people you've labelled "bad" and then judged them to be bad based on acts you've assumed were done in bad faith. I assume what Amazon does is bad by default, but I'm perfectly willing to accept that it's good if I'm proven otherwise (maybe someone convinces me, or I do my own research and come to that conclusion). I'm just always going to assume the worst, and that's going to put them at a permanent disadvantage when competing for my patronage. That's like, peak capitalism: penalize bad behavior through the market. Idk why I need to explain this, since I'm pretty sure everyone understands the concept of a reputation. Is it "intellectually lazy" to not invite a registered sex offender to your child's birthday party? This is basically the same thing, but less dramatic.
- q1w2 5y ago
  It's always interesting to see people who think other people should be held to a higher standard, and seldom think they themselves should be held to those standards. It reminds me of the protesters happy to destroy other people's property, but then signal outrage when their own property is destroyed.
  - bogwog 5y ago
    How does that apply here? To what standards am I not holding myself to? I don't lie[1] and cheat[2] and try to exploit everyone in my life[3]. Hell, I even pay my taxes![4] Plus, again, I'm talking about corporations, not people. Corporations are not people. For example, Microsoft is a rotten company and I will never be their customer if I can avoid it. But I have absolutely nothing against Microsoft's employees (except maybe some of the C suite) [1] https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/jeff-bezos-may-have-lied-to-congress-about-amazon-lawmakers/ https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/jeff-bezos-may-have-lied-to-co... [2] https://www.bookweb.org/news/aba-releases-report-detailing-amazons-anti-competitive-behavior-1625433 https://www.bookweb.org/news/aba-releases-report-detailing-a... [3] https://time.com/5629233/amazon-warehouse-employee-treatment-robots/ https://time.com/5629233/amazon-warehouse-employee-treatment... [4] https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/biden-singles-out-amazon-for-not-paying-federal-taxes/ar-BB1fbin8 https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/biden-singles-out-...
    - BeetleB 5y ago
      > I don't lie[1] You've never lied? If someone found a lie you once said and put it in a comment like this, what would it signify? I'm pretty sure Amazon doesn't always lie, just like you don't always lie. > and cheat[2] Same sentiment as above. > and try to exploit everyone in my life[3] Pretty sure Amazon doesn't try to exploit everyone. Lots of Amazon employees feel that way too. > Hell, I even pay my taxes![4] You don't take deductions when you can? If you do, how are you different from Amazon? As an example, for years, I never deducted charitable contributions even though I could. How about mortgage interest? Unless you willingly do not take tax deductions that you are eligible for, I don't see a difference between your behavior and theirs. You are a complex person, as is a company like Amazon. Throwing absolutist statements about them is as problematic as throwing absolutist statements about you.

by q1w2 5y ago

bogwog 5y ago

I believe people can always redeem themselves, but corporations need to be held to higher standards since they're 90% of what determines the quality of life in this country. > You assume everything good is done in bad faith by people you've labelled "bad" and then judged them to be bad based on acts you've assumed were done in bad faith. I assume what Amazon does is bad by default, but I'm perfectly willing to accept that it's good if I'm proven otherwise (maybe someone convinces me, or I do my own research and come to that conclusion). I'm just always going to assume the worst, and that's going to put them at a permanent disadvantage when competing for my patronage. That's like, peak capitalism: penalize bad behavior through the market. Idk why I need to explain this, since I'm pretty sure everyone understands the concept of a reputation. Is it "intellectually lazy" to not invite a registered sex offender to your child's birthday party? This is basically the same thing, but less dramatic.

q1w2 5y ago
It's always interesting to see people who think other people should be held to a higher standard, and seldom think they themselves should be held to those standards. It reminds me of the protesters happy to destroy other people's property, but then signal outrage when their own property is destroyed.
- bogwog 5y ago
  How does that apply here? To what standards am I not holding myself to? I don't lie[1] and cheat[2] and try to exploit everyone in my life[3]. Hell, I even pay my taxes![4] Plus, again, I'm talking about corporations, not people. Corporations are not people. For example, Microsoft is a rotten company and I will never be their customer if I can avoid it. But I have absolutely nothing against Microsoft's employees (except maybe some of the C suite) [1] https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/jeff-bezos-may-have-lied-to-congress-about-amazon-lawmakers/ https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/jeff-bezos-may-have-lied-to-co... [2] https://www.bookweb.org/news/aba-releases-report-detailing-amazons-anti-competitive-behavior-1625433 https://www.bookweb.org/news/aba-releases-report-detailing-a... [3] https://time.com/5629233/amazon-warehouse-employee-treatment-robots/ https://time.com/5629233/amazon-warehouse-employee-treatment... [4] https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/biden-singles-out-amazon-for-not-paying-federal-taxes/ar-BB1fbin8 https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/biden-singles-out-...
  - BeetleB 5y ago
    > I don't lie[1] You've never lied? If someone found a lie you once said and put it in a comment like this, what would it signify? I'm pretty sure Amazon doesn't always lie, just like you don't always lie. > and cheat[2] Same sentiment as above. > and try to exploit everyone in my life[3] Pretty sure Amazon doesn't try to exploit everyone. Lots of Amazon employees feel that way too. > Hell, I even pay my taxes![4] You don't take deductions when you can? If you do, how are you different from Amazon? As an example, for years, I never deducted charitable contributions even though I could. How about mortgage interest? Unless you willingly do not take tax deductions that you are eligible for, I don't see a difference between your behavior and theirs. You are a complex person, as is a company like Amazon. Throwing absolutist statements about them is as problematic as throwing absolutist statements about you.