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I may be misunderstanding what you're saying, but many modern cars I've driven will still allow themselves to be started in gear. It happened to me quite frequ

I may be misunderstanding what you're saying, but many modern cars I've driven will still allow themselves to be started in gear. It happened to me quite frequently until I built up the muscle memory for always starting with the clutch in, and occasionally still does if I forget (I drive a lot of hire cars).

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
If you are talking auto, no definitely not. But... If you are talking mtx (manual), which ones? Because in 20 years of this industry I've never seen anything that didn't ship with a clutch interlock. So unless we're going back to pre-1997 - OR - you are in an "export market" like Asia, I am not aware of the models you're thinking of.
- cameronh90 5y ago
  I very rarely drive auto. I'm not sure what an "export market" is, but I'm in the UK. Our cars seemed to have fewer automatic features for longer than other markets, for example cruise control was fairly rare until quite recently. I don't think I encountered a clutch interlock until 2015-ish (except on motorbikes) - I thought the car was broken. I don't remember models specifically because I drive a different car each time, but I only got my driving license in 2007 and have had had the lurch happen as recently as last month (of course I have the handbrake on so it doesn't actually lurch, just stall). It might have been a VW T6 or a Vauxhall Vivaro, no more than a couple years old. Certainly my mum's 2004 Daihatsu and my sister's 2008 Renault didn't have a clutch interlock. It's by far the exception that I need to engage the clutch before starter in all cases, but it could be in some cases that they would only require the clutch when also in gear. Cars here still often fundamentally work similar to my first car (1998 Escort). Manual turn key ignition, able to start the engine by disengaging the clutch at speed, possible to stall at speed, put it into neutral then then restart the engine while driving, etc. Mainly it's when driving hybrids that they seem a lot stricter.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

If you are talking auto, no definitely not. But... If you are talking mtx (manual), which ones? Because in 20 years of this industry I've never seen anything that didn't ship with a clutch interlock. So unless we're going back to pre-1997 - OR - you are in an "export market" like Asia, I am not aware of the models you're thinking of.

cameronh90 5y ago
I very rarely drive auto. I'm not sure what an "export market" is, but I'm in the UK. Our cars seemed to have fewer automatic features for longer than other markets, for example cruise control was fairly rare until quite recently. I don't think I encountered a clutch interlock until 2015-ish (except on motorbikes) - I thought the car was broken. I don't remember models specifically because I drive a different car each time, but I only got my driving license in 2007 and have had had the lurch happen as recently as last month (of course I have the handbrake on so it doesn't actually lurch, just stall). It might have been a VW T6 or a Vauxhall Vivaro, no more than a couple years old. Certainly my mum's 2004 Daihatsu and my sister's 2008 Renault didn't have a clutch interlock. It's by far the exception that I need to engage the clutch before starter in all cases, but it could be in some cases that they would only require the clutch when also in gear. Cars here still often fundamentally work similar to my first car (1998 Escort). Manual turn key ignition, able to start the engine by disengaging the clutch at speed, possible to stall at speed, put it into neutral then then restart the engine while driving, etc. Mainly it's when driving hybrids that they seem a lot stricter.