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Its an utter abomination that MDMA and psychedelics are criminalized. I find law laughable in this regard and i find law makers a bunch of clowns for not givin

by cies 5y ago

Its an utter abomination that MDMA and psychedelics are criminalized. I find law laughable in this regard and i find law makers a bunch of clowns for not giving me the basic freedom of finding ways to make myself happy. We need a constitutional law that prohibits prosecution for victimless crime. And we needed it already a long time ago. Think of all the resources wasted, lives destroyed by upholding such rotten laws: laws against having fun.

ipnon 5y ago
It all goes back to the Vietnam War, and Nixon trying to crack down on the subculture of hippies that seemed to be the source of much political contest for him.
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  How comes this affects the rest of the world even heavier than it does the USA then? Weed and shrooms get legalized/decriminzlized all over the States, MDMA and ketamine therapies are available, ADHD patients have their adderall, even opioids are used so widely it has became a serious problem, yet in most of the countries all these are criminalized heavily and carrying even a tiny dose with you aboard a plane is unthinkable.
  - etripe 5y ago
    IIRC: historical trade deals that included opting into the war on drugs.
    - qwerty456127 5y ago
      This is a problem with trade deals. Having a trans-atlantic trade deal between the USA and the EU (so you could just buy stuff from overseas like you do within your home union - without customs clearance and extra taxation) would be amazing but every time such is proposed it comes with a requirement to start a nonsensical war on "Internet piracy".
dang 5y ago
Ok, but please don't fulminate on HN. It's not what this site is for; we want curious conversation here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- cies 5y ago
  I read m again. But how is a looking for a solution to the problematic reason that kept this kind of research outcomes out of the hands of the public for decades not part of "curious conversation"? People seem to upvote it. I think this is a serious issue holding us back as a species. BTW mad respect for moderating this forum.
  - dang 5y ago
    "utter abomination", "laughable", "a bunch of clowns", etc. is not "looking for a solution", it's internet ranting. That sort of thing makes discussion more predictable. That's really why we don't want it here. It's not about disagreeing on the issues, it's about wanting to say and hear things that we haven't all said and heard many times before.
    - cies 5y ago
      Cheers. I'll shift to less emotional language.
lostmsu 5y ago
I agree possession should be decriminalized. But even comments in this very thread prove that it is a dangerous substance and should not be readily accessible to buy, certainly not before you can buy alcohol.

by cies 5y ago

ipnon 5y ago

It all goes back to the Vietnam War, and Nixon trying to crack down on the subculture of hippies that seemed to be the source of much political contest for him.

qwerty456127 5y ago
How comes this affects the rest of the world even heavier than it does the USA then? Weed and shrooms get legalized/decriminzlized all over the States, MDMA and ketamine therapies are available, ADHD patients have their adderall, even opioids are used so widely it has became a serious problem, yet in most of the countries all these are criminalized heavily and carrying even a tiny dose with you aboard a plane is unthinkable.
- etripe 5y ago
  IIRC: historical trade deals that included opting into the war on drugs.
  - qwerty456127 5y ago
    This is a problem with trade deals. Having a trans-atlantic trade deal between the USA and the EU (so you could just buy stuff from overseas like you do within your home union - without customs clearance and extra taxation) would be amazing but every time such is proposed it comes with a requirement to start a nonsensical war on "Internet piracy".

dang 5y ago

Ok, but please don't fulminate on HN. It's not what this site is for; we want curious conversation here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

cies 5y ago
I read m again. But how is a looking for a solution to the problematic reason that kept this kind of research outcomes out of the hands of the public for decades not part of "curious conversation"? People seem to upvote it. I think this is a serious issue holding us back as a species. BTW mad respect for moderating this forum.
- dang 5y ago
  "utter abomination", "laughable", "a bunch of clowns", etc. is not "looking for a solution", it's internet ranting. That sort of thing makes discussion more predictable. That's really why we don't want it here. It's not about disagreeing on the issues, it's about wanting to say and hear things that we haven't all said and heard many times before.
  - cies 5y ago
    Cheers. I'll shift to less emotional language.

lostmsu 5y ago

I agree possession should be decriminalized. But even comments in this very thread prove that it is a dangerous substance and should not be readily accessible to buy, certainly not before you can buy alcohol.