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"There is a need for research regarding local heat developments on small surfaces, e.g., skin or the eye, and on any environmental impact." [1] I would not disc

by ofou 5y ago

"There is a need for research regarding local heat developments on small surfaces, e.g., skin or the eye, and on any environmental impact." [1] I would not discard research because its "ex vivo" qualia. I think you are missing the point. It is not about if short-term 5G exposure can damage a extracted bovine brain, but the worrisome part. it is that current gel-based models to study its effects are at least, limited in their scope. All of that, without mentioning anything regarding insect population which are rapidly declining due to primarily electromagnetic pollution [2]. Source of the quote: [1]: https://sci-hub.st/10.3390/ijerph16183406 https://sci-hub.st/10.3390/ijerph16183406 [2]: https://phys.org/news/2020-09-mobile-insects-german.html https://phys.org/news/2020-09-mobile-insects-german.html

jiggawatts 5y ago
This is misrepresenting the referenced paper. They specifically tested brain tissue, but in a context that invalidates their results for realistic (in-vivo) scenarios. And anyway, heat is not some mysterious cancer-causing phenomena that's insufficiently studied by science. It's heat! You know, warmth. It's not only necessary for mammalian life, it's downright pleasant. People voluntarily put themselves in saunas, hot tubs, and pay to get hot stone massages. It's nice. When it stops being nice, you can definitely tell! There's no need for "5G radiation" measurements with scientific instruments. When you're heated to the point that you take damage, it hurts. You have a built-in sensor for that. No need for lab tests. If your phone isn't burning your hand, it's not burning your brain. It's just that simple. PS: insects are 100% for certain being wiped out by pesticides, which are poisons specifically designed to kill insects. You'd have to have fantastically good evidence to argue that no-no-no-no, it's not the millions of tons of insect poison killing them, it's the microwaves that we've always used before, but suddenly they're deadly because they're used for mobile phones... slightly differently to how they've been used previously. "...according to the study presented in Stuttgart, which is yet to be peer reviewed." No peer review? Shocker.
- ofou 5y ago
  I disagree. Marie Curie doesn't realized "the hurt" as a test, for sure. Nobody is talking just about the brain either, pesticides are a huge part of the equation, it's a no brainer. But EM pollution is not easily dismissible. You know, this is the problem with the subject, people should talk a lot more about possible long-term implications of every new tech deployed. Peer reviewing is a slow process, I'm happy that there's at least research being conducted seriously.
  - jiggawatts 5y ago
    Evidence for the ignorance of other people when faced with novel phenomena is not evidence that we are ignorant of all phenomena. Just because some things are a mystery to you, doesn't make them have mysterious properties. Microwaves cause heating. That's why we have an appliance that generates them in our kitchens. Heating is nice, to a point, afterwards it's very obvious that it's too much. No mobile phone, has anywhere, ever, burnt someone through microwave radiation. Not 3G, not 4G, not 5G, not any # G. The power levels are just too low. It's like trying to do a spot weld with a laser pointer. Meanwhile, high-power radar has warning signs on it, because -- duh -- it's powerful enough to cause burns: https://www.safetysign.com/rf-warning-signs https://www.safetysign.com/rf-warning-signs It's not some magical property of radar or 5G that does this! It's just the power level. No mystery. You turn it down... you don't get hurt.

by ofou 5y ago

jiggawatts 5y ago

This is misrepresenting the referenced paper. They specifically tested brain tissue, but in a context that invalidates their results for realistic (in-vivo) scenarios. And anyway, heat is not some mysterious cancer-causing phenomena that's insufficiently studied by science. It's heat! You know, warmth. It's not only necessary for mammalian life, it's downright pleasant. People voluntarily put themselves in saunas, hot tubs, and pay to get hot stone massages. It's nice. When it stops being nice, you can definitely tell! There's no need for "5G radiation" measurements with scientific instruments. When you're heated to the point that you take damage, it hurts. You have a built-in sensor for that. No need for lab tests. If your phone isn't burning your hand, it's not burning your brain. It's just that simple. PS: insects are 100% for certain being wiped out by pesticides, which are poisons specifically designed to kill insects. You'd have to have fantastically good evidence to argue that no-no-no-no, it's not the millions of tons of insect poison killing them, it's the microwaves that we've always used before, but suddenly they're deadly because they're used for mobile phones... slightly differently to how they've been used previously. "...according to the study presented in Stuttgart, which is yet to be peer reviewed." No peer review? Shocker.

ofou 5y ago
I disagree. Marie Curie doesn't realized "the hurt" as a test, for sure. Nobody is talking just about the brain either, pesticides are a huge part of the equation, it's a no brainer. But EM pollution is not easily dismissible. You know, this is the problem with the subject, people should talk a lot more about possible long-term implications of every new tech deployed. Peer reviewing is a slow process, I'm happy that there's at least research being conducted seriously.
- jiggawatts 5y ago
  Evidence for the ignorance of other people when faced with novel phenomena is not evidence that we are ignorant of all phenomena. Just because some things are a mystery to you, doesn't make them have mysterious properties. Microwaves cause heating. That's why we have an appliance that generates them in our kitchens. Heating is nice, to a point, afterwards it's very obvious that it's too much. No mobile phone, has anywhere, ever, burnt someone through microwave radiation. Not 3G, not 4G, not 5G, not any # G. The power levels are just too low. It's like trying to do a spot weld with a laser pointer. Meanwhile, high-power radar has warning signs on it, because -- duh -- it's powerful enough to cause burns: https://www.safetysign.com/rf-warning-signs https://www.safetysign.com/rf-warning-signs It's not some magical property of radar or 5G that does this! It's just the power level. No mystery. You turn it down... you don't get hurt.