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you turn off your wifi and phone before you sleep every night? why the meter?

swader999 5y ago
Yeah I do. The meter checks that all the other emf from other sources is low too. I live rural so it's easier, neighbors are far away.
- squarefoot 5y ago
  Inverse square law. You would have no reasons to worry even if the closest neighbors would put a 5G tower on each of their houses. Your body would be exposed to a lot more power from your cellphone rather than any tower. That would mean if there is a real danger, we should be already counting several millions of deaths among all those people carrying a cellphone in their pocket every day. It is something that simply cannot go undetected. Those technologies would either need extremely high power, and/or use much much higher frequencies (beyond visible light) then fall into ionizing radiations (which are dangerous indeed) to have any health effects.
  - swader999 5y ago
    The 4G tower about 500m puts out about 5x what my phone does. I shielded my bedroom with the paint and its close to zero now. I'm not really thinking much about 5 yet, too early for my area. I do agree with your statements.
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
      if you agree with the statements its not dangerous, why paint the room? How did you come to the conclusion it disrupts sleep?
      - swader999 5y ago
        I slept really well at my parents cabin over the years but not in the city where I lived. I could never figure out why. Then one summer they got Wi-Fi and I no longer had great sleeps there. Did some research and started experimenting with shielded clothing. Noticed much deeper rem sleep, dreams and all that again. I realize there's very poor research and low quality studies that support this. It's almost impossible to fund and find a group of people that can actually be shielded for a study. But hey it works for me, enough that I invested significant time, effort and a bit of money to get a decently shielded sleeping area. I have better concentration during the day in these same low emf conditions too.
    - Johnythree 5y ago
      The claim that paint can suppress 4G radiation is nonsense. Did you also paint the doors, windows, ceiling and floor? If you want further information, talk to the people who build shielded rooms. Cutting down EM radiation by more than a few db is incredibly difficult.
      - LinuxBender 5y ago
        Just slapping on a coat of the stuff would not work, but doing it correctly absolutely does work. It takes a few coats and you have to ground it. Done correctly, you won't be able to use Wifi or make a phone call. Yes you will get some leakage from windows, but that can be attenuated with metal screens or use steel roll-down shutters that have the benefit of improving the R/U insulation rating of the windows at night and improving physical security. I have tested this in two houses. I will also be adding the paint to a property I recently acquired. If you bookmark this thread, I will circle back in about six months after the snow to test the attenuation.
        swader999 5y ago
        I think I do get leakage through the one window that has the film and the metal bug screen. The paint when grounded is very good shielding. You are describing all the right aspects of this!
        Johnythree 5y ago
        If you don't block all the holes, it can't possibly work. Plus you can't effectively earth something when your earth leads is multiple wavelengths long (eg at UHF)
      - swader999 5y ago
        Yes everything except the floor. The tower is above the floor. For widows I used the film and a metal bug screen on top of that. I did three coats of the YSheild HSF54 paint. The before and after ratings on my meter prove to me that it worked. I register less than background now in that room.I used the copper grounding strips that wire into my outlets and attach to the house ground circuit.
    - hypefi 5y ago
      Agree the 4G towers are more dangerous especially at close range less than 200m, very difficult to shield and very unnatural for the body to live shielded in my own experience.
  - caeril 5y ago
    > counting several millions of deaths I don't think this is what the 5G conspiracy theorists claim, at all. Nobody is claiming people are going to drop dead from 5G. The last 50 years have seen a dramatic rise in incidents of various less-than-lethal health issues: low sperm counts, autism, fibromyalgia, early puberty in girls, Chron's Disease, IBS, certain specific rare-but-treatable cancers, etc. These are all very real and well-documented. And everybody has their pet explanation that happens to correlate with environmental increases of other things: sugar, seed oils, microplastics, glyphosate, vaccination, VOCs, birth control, and yes, mobile phone usage or HF exposure in general. 5G conspiracy theorists just happened to pick one of the possible correlates. You'll find anti-glyphosate crusaders on this very site who don't get nearly the vitriol that anti-5G people, or, god forbid, anti-vaxxers do. But in the end, people are pattern-matchers, and evidenced-be-damned, this one particular pattern they spotted is the one they're going to go with. Conspiracy theories of the pattern-matching type are kind of a built-in human problem, I think we're wired for it. I don't understand why we can't be more charitable towards them.
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
      We are wired for these instincts is because it's what got us through millions of years of evolution. Would be silly to discard such a nicely tuned learning model.

Yeah I do. The meter checks that all the other emf from other sources is low too. I live rural so it's easier, neighbors are far away.

squarefoot 5y ago
Inverse square law. You would have no reasons to worry even if the closest neighbors would put a 5G tower on each of their houses. Your body would be exposed to a lot more power from your cellphone rather than any tower. That would mean if there is a real danger, we should be already counting several millions of deaths among all those people carrying a cellphone in their pocket every day. It is something that simply cannot go undetected. Those technologies would either need extremely high power, and/or use much much higher frequencies (beyond visible light) then fall into ionizing radiations (which are dangerous indeed) to have any health effects.
- swader999 5y ago
  The 4G tower about 500m puts out about 5x what my phone does. I shielded my bedroom with the paint and its close to zero now. I'm not really thinking much about 5 yet, too early for my area. I do agree with your statements.
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    if you agree with the statements its not dangerous, why paint the room? How did you come to the conclusion it disrupts sleep?
    - swader999 5y ago
      I slept really well at my parents cabin over the years but not in the city where I lived. I could never figure out why. Then one summer they got Wi-Fi and I no longer had great sleeps there. Did some research and started experimenting with shielded clothing. Noticed much deeper rem sleep, dreams and all that again. I realize there's very poor research and low quality studies that support this. It's almost impossible to fund and find a group of people that can actually be shielded for a study. But hey it works for me, enough that I invested significant time, effort and a bit of money to get a decently shielded sleeping area. I have better concentration during the day in these same low emf conditions too.
  - Johnythree 5y ago
    The claim that paint can suppress 4G radiation is nonsense. Did you also paint the doors, windows, ceiling and floor? If you want further information, talk to the people who build shielded rooms. Cutting down EM radiation by more than a few db is incredibly difficult.
    - LinuxBender 5y ago
      Just slapping on a coat of the stuff would not work, but doing it correctly absolutely does work. It takes a few coats and you have to ground it. Done correctly, you won't be able to use Wifi or make a phone call. Yes you will get some leakage from windows, but that can be attenuated with metal screens or use steel roll-down shutters that have the benefit of improving the R/U insulation rating of the windows at night and improving physical security. I have tested this in two houses. I will also be adding the paint to a property I recently acquired. If you bookmark this thread, I will circle back in about six months after the snow to test the attenuation.
      - swader999 5y ago
        I think I do get leakage through the one window that has the film and the metal bug screen. The paint when grounded is very good shielding. You are describing all the right aspects of this!
      - Johnythree 5y ago
        If you don't block all the holes, it can't possibly work. Plus you can't effectively earth something when your earth leads is multiple wavelengths long (eg at UHF)
    - swader999 5y ago
      Yes everything except the floor. The tower is above the floor. For widows I used the film and a metal bug screen on top of that. I did three coats of the YSheild HSF54 paint. The before and after ratings on my meter prove to me that it worked. I register less than background now in that room.I used the copper grounding strips that wire into my outlets and attach to the house ground circuit.
  - hypefi 5y ago
    Agree the 4G towers are more dangerous especially at close range less than 200m, very difficult to shield and very unnatural for the body to live shielded in my own experience.
- caeril 5y ago
  > counting several millions of deaths I don't think this is what the 5G conspiracy theorists claim, at all. Nobody is claiming people are going to drop dead from 5G. The last 50 years have seen a dramatic rise in incidents of various less-than-lethal health issues: low sperm counts, autism, fibromyalgia, early puberty in girls, Chron's Disease, IBS, certain specific rare-but-treatable cancers, etc. These are all very real and well-documented. And everybody has their pet explanation that happens to correlate with environmental increases of other things: sugar, seed oils, microplastics, glyphosate, vaccination, VOCs, birth control, and yes, mobile phone usage or HF exposure in general. 5G conspiracy theorists just happened to pick one of the possible correlates. You'll find anti-glyphosate crusaders on this very site who don't get nearly the vitriol that anti-5G people, or, god forbid, anti-vaxxers do. But in the end, people are pattern-matchers, and evidenced-be-damned, this one particular pattern they spotted is the one they're going to go with. Conspiracy theories of the pattern-matching type are kind of a built-in human problem, I think we're wired for it. I don't understand why we can't be more charitable towards them.
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    We are wired for these instincts is because it's what got us through millions of years of evolution. Would be silly to discard such a nicely tuned learning model.