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You don't have a lot web apps on mobile because the mobile web browsers provide a worse experience compared to native applications, unlike Electron or Chrome on

You don't have a lot web apps on mobile because the mobile web browsers provide a worse experience compared to native applications, unlike Electron or Chrome on Desktop that provides a much better experience in general (unless you have a 10 years old hardware with very little ram or are into old school GUI I know). The companies making web browsers and mobile operating systems are the same companies making native applications stores and requesting 30% of the revenue, so they don't have any good reason to make web applications better. They are not non profit.

vmladenov 5y ago
Electron’s user experience is atrocious even on recent hardware. It falls right into the uncanny valley of superficially appearing native and while not behaving natively.
- gobookdev 5y ago
  VS Code is my fav piece of software of all time, it's an Electron app
  - jamil7 5y ago
    Agreed it’s an excellent editor however it has a lot of engineering resources behind it and still suffers from sluggish performance, especially on startup.
    - speedgoose 5y ago
      It starts quickly on my laptops. What kind of hardware do you use ?
      - jamil7 5y ago
        Both an Intel and an M1 mac, it's especially noticeable on the newer machine as native apps open instantly, even Xcode, which is a pig seems to open quicker. Like I said it's a great editor and I use it when I need to do some Python or JS work (remote/ssh development functionality is especially nice) but I don't think it's immune from the resource argument against electron.
  - thrower123 5y ago
    VS Code is the most frustrating piece of software I use, because it is very good, but it's UX is terrible because they refuse to make any allowances for native platform standards. I don't use it enough to have any of the hotkeys that aren't bog-standard memorized, and the refusal to add menu options or toolbar buttons makes discoverability really bad.
  - vmladenov 5y ago
    VS Code is so sluggish that I’ve found myself spending more and more time in vim when Sublime Text isn’t an option.
wastholm 5y ago
> mobile web browsers provide a worse experience compared to native applications, unlike Electron or Chrome on Desktop that provides a much better experience in general Electron apps are perhaps faster and cheaper to make than native desktop GUI apps for most organizations because they already have Web developers, but I've never heard anyone claim they're "better" than native, if that's what you're saying. Do you mean they're somehow better for the end user? If so, how?
- dannyw 5y ago
  Better compatibility. I have a machine that still runs Windows 7; and electron apps rarely have issues. Many native apps no longer work on my OS.
  - blub 5y ago
    Malware's backwards compatible with Windows 7. In fact it gets better and better the more time passes.
- speedgoose 5y ago
  Yes I was more thinking about development. Faster and cheaper development is the key. Development teams can focus more on the user experience and the features. You also get a good application on all platforms, GNU/Linux, Windows, and Mac which is nice and used to not be the case.

vmladenov 5y ago

Electron’s user experience is atrocious even on recent hardware. It falls right into the uncanny valley of superficially appearing native and while not behaving natively.

gobookdev 5y ago
VS Code is my fav piece of software of all time, it's an Electron app
- jamil7 5y ago
  Agreed it’s an excellent editor however it has a lot of engineering resources behind it and still suffers from sluggish performance, especially on startup.
  - speedgoose 5y ago
    It starts quickly on my laptops. What kind of hardware do you use ?
    - jamil7 5y ago
      Both an Intel and an M1 mac, it's especially noticeable on the newer machine as native apps open instantly, even Xcode, which is a pig seems to open quicker. Like I said it's a great editor and I use it when I need to do some Python or JS work (remote/ssh development functionality is especially nice) but I don't think it's immune from the resource argument against electron.
- thrower123 5y ago
  VS Code is the most frustrating piece of software I use, because it is very good, but it's UX is terrible because they refuse to make any allowances for native platform standards. I don't use it enough to have any of the hotkeys that aren't bog-standard memorized, and the refusal to add menu options or toolbar buttons makes discoverability really bad.
- vmladenov 5y ago
  VS Code is so sluggish that I’ve found myself spending more and more time in vim when Sublime Text isn’t an option.

wastholm 5y ago

> mobile web browsers provide a worse experience compared to native applications, unlike Electron or Chrome on Desktop that provides a much better experience in general Electron apps are perhaps faster and cheaper to make than native desktop GUI apps for most organizations because they already have Web developers, but I've never heard anyone claim they're "better" than native, if that's what you're saying. Do you mean they're somehow better for the end user? If so, how?

dannyw 5y ago
Better compatibility. I have a machine that still runs Windows 7; and electron apps rarely have issues. Many native apps no longer work on my OS.
- blub 5y ago
  Malware's backwards compatible with Windows 7. In fact it gets better and better the more time passes.
speedgoose 5y ago
Yes I was more thinking about development. Faster and cheaper development is the key. Development teams can focus more on the user experience and the features. You also get a good application on all platforms, GNU/Linux, Windows, and Mac which is nice and used to not be the case.